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FreqSep | 3 years ago

And Juuls additionally are not “smoking” - it operates at a much lower temperature than combustion in a typical cigarette.

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maxbond|3 years ago

After around (some number of) people died from vaping Vitamin A Acetate, I don't think we should really make a distinction anymore.

(I originally said 1k, which appears to have been misremembering.)

lfuller|3 years ago

To be clear that was a black-market additive in unregulated cannabis vape cartridges, nothing to do with nicotine vapes and definitely not relevant to a company as regulated as Juul.

This would be like saying Coors Light is dangerous because your cousin's moonshine had methanol in it.

nyolfen|3 years ago

where on earth did you get 1k from? it was a few dozen people:

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+people+died+from+va...

also, vitamin e acetate was used to cut black/grey market cannabis vape products, not nicotine. nic juice is so cheap to produce that there's no reason to cut, vitamin e acetate is probably more expensive.

i quit an 8 year smoking habit the first day i purchased a vape. it's depressing and frustrating to see this option removed for others.

johnmaguire|3 years ago

As a slightly tangential counterargument, forcing vapes off the legal market means less regulation around ingredients.

ghastmaster|3 years ago

Here is a link to the CDC where they mention 68 confirmed deaths and strongly link it to black market marijuana cartridges, not nicotine.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/s...

> National and state data from patient reports and product sample testing show tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)-containing e-cigarette, or vaping, products, particularly from informal sources like friends, family, or in-person or online dealers, are linked to most EVALI cases and play a major role in the outbreak.

pizza|3 years ago

I think it would be wise to retain the pretty significant distinction that those people (really sadly) died from vaping Vitamin A Acetate. But it's kind of like talking about moonshine deaths in a discussion about how non-alcoholic beers might still make your tummy hurt.

I think there is nobody in this comments section who would disagree with banning the use of Vitamin A Acetate as an additive to vape products, and also nobody who wouldn't want those responsible for the deaths to be held accountable.

samatman|3 years ago

Inhaling gasoline is also bad for you. So is freon. Asbestos? Really bad for you.

None of those are in a Juul cartridge. Vitamin A Acetate is also not in a Juul cartridge.

pessimizer|3 years ago

What does people dying from poisonous additives have anything to do with making a distinction between two different things? People also die in car accidents, but we maintain a distinction between car accidents and smoking.

Incidentally, smoking has been a pretty significant cause of car accidents. People drop them while driving and panic.

sophacles|3 years ago

yeah, and we should ban cars because a bunch of people drowned while boating. Vehicle deaths are vehicle deaths after all.

sjcoles|3 years ago

Those were cannabis cartridges. This is the exact misinformation that gets vapes banned unfortunately.

Vitamin A is far too thick to vape in a Juul type pod system. The only use it has is as a thickener for concentrates which use a whole different type of wicking system.