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lmg643 | 3 years ago

That's a great and positive way to look at vaping. Every time I hear about "medical marijuana" I think about the probable link to schizophrenia, which will likely dwarf the pot economy in both direct and indirect costs.

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Spent about 10 seconds finding these using Brave search. For folks who can't resist snarky comments, you have to admit it's strange that this is not at least acknowledged amidst a state-by-state push for legalization.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/

>> "There is now reasonable evidence from longitudinal studies that regular cannabis use predicts an increased risk of schizophrenia and of reporting psychotic symptoms. These relationships have persisted after controlling for confounding variables such as personal characteristics and other drug use. The relationships did not seem to be explained by cannabis being used to self-medicate symptoms of psychosis."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abst...

>> "The results from these longitudinal analyses show the proportion of cases of schizophrenia associated with cannabis use disorder has increased 3- to 4-fold during the past 2 decades, which is expected given previously described increases in the use and potency of cannabis."

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tomc1985|3 years ago

So where's the schizophrenia epidemic among pot-smoking hippies? It's had like 50 years to surface, man.

In all seriousness, there are a number of cohorts where this should be showing up with some regularity. Can you point me towards any of them?

All the hippies I know are still out there hippie-ing and living their lives, going to Dead shows, and so on. And, from my experience, they seem to be an unusually vigorous group for being so old.

Rebelgecko|3 years ago

I feel like there's some selection bias. Your friends who you know years ago but fell off the grids are the ones who are most likely to be experiencing mental health issues.

FWIW, the homeless encampments and chop shops by me have plenty of people in the ~50 y/o pot smoking hippie demographic. The local paper even did a profile on a dude named Coconut who is 56 years old and has been following the Grateful Dead/Dead & Co. on all their tours since 1992. He was just killing time until their tour came around later this month.

dr_dshiv|3 years ago

“Nobody knows you when you’re down and out”

hattmall|3 years ago

They committed suicide. The suicide rate has been steadily rising in the 44-64 bracket. Or they are reclusive conspiracy theorists. That's my experience at least. I know a (shrinking) number of people I would definitely say are gripped by cannabis psychosis. There's no way it's not a real thing.

quickthrowman|3 years ago

> Every time I hear about "medical marijuana" I think about the probable link to schizophrenia

Have you considered that perhaps schizophrenics seek out drugs? Something like 70-90% of schizophrenics smoke cigarettes. Do cigarettes cause schizophrenia, or do schizophrenics seek out cigarettes?

aaaaaaaaata|3 years ago

> Do cigarettes cause schizophrenia, or do schizophrenics seek out cigarettes?

Or literally anything, besides their sometimes awful default state consciousness?

_eht|3 years ago

Every time my wife smokes the devil’s lettuce she craves a black man. Citation needed, btw.

hsbauauvhabzb|3 years ago

I’ve always felt like research into drugs has always had polarising bias in both directions.

yieldcrv|3 years ago

It is very immature research when you compare it with the designer drugs that go through the federal FDA process, where there are multiple phases of clinical trials all for a single use case. And then all the side effects that are found in a controlled study are listed on the side of the packaging.

The state process is completely absent of any research, and the community is relying on anecdotes for an infinite set of use cases. Side effects listed, if any, are based on the same anecdotes. I’ll give that an F for Failure. I’m not for putting dealers or users in prison, I can acknowledge that the consumer protection is absent.