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molyss | 3 years ago

seeing as some people have already added some comments criticizing the code of conduct, I thought I'd add what I think is the most important parts of that code of Ethics :

> No one is required to follow The Rule [...] or even think that [it] is a good idea. [...] anyone is free to dispute or ignore that idea [...]

> This is a one-way promise [...]. the developers are saying "we will treat you this way regardless of how you treat us"

No one is forcing their beliefs onto anyone. keep the pitchforks in the shed.

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comment500|3 years ago

Agreed, as an atheist it all sounds fine to me. I can respect their code of ethics without feeling the need to adopt it myself.

I'm grateful to the author of SQLite for releasing this excellent piece of software into the public domain and continuing to maintain it for the benefit of all. If providing this good work to the world was driven by his Christian principles, then really, who are any of us to criticise. Indeed, we should all be thankful.

thaneross|3 years ago

I can't help but notice the contrast with the popular, Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct, which makes it abundantly clear its aim to enforce a set of beliefs on its contributors, with no boundaries between professional and personal life.

logifail|3 years ago

> a set of beliefs

The elephant in the room in many current attempts to encourage "diversity" is that a genuinely diverse range of opinions and/or beliefs ends up being not welcome at all.

Akronymus|3 years ago

I personally see the creator covenant to be a huge detriment, if not even a danger, to open source.

madeofpalk|3 years ago

> all current developers have pledged to follow the spirit of The Rule to the best of their ability

This one seems to be just the same, for better or worse?

bitwize|3 years ago

The Contributor Covenant is the gold standard for a reason: it is a response to the bigotry and harassment problems that were endemic to the open source communities. Alone it doesn't achieve much, but combined with a good faith enforcement board it helps keep a community a pleasant, joyful place to contribute to, for everyone. And that will increase software quality and attract quality people, aside from being, you know, the right thing to do.

The SQLite developers (developer?) are not interested in inviting more contributors to the table and that's fine, but for a functional public community the Contributor Covenant or something like it is pretty much table stakes.

actually_a_dog|3 years ago

That seems to be a blatant mischaracterization:

> Scope:

> This Code of Conduct applies within all community spaces, and also applies when an individual is officially representing the community in public spaces. Examples of representing our community include using an official e-mail address, posting via an official social media account, or acting as an appointed representative at an online or offline event.

https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/2/1/code_of_con...

What's your motivation here?

formerly_proven|3 years ago

> No one is forcing their beliefs onto anyone. keep the pitchforks in the shed.

I don't want a solution, I want to be mad.

smoe|3 years ago

> The founder of SQLite and all current developers have pledged to follow the spirit of The Rule to the best of their ability.

Sure, as far as I'm aware code of conducts/ethics only ever apply to contributors, no-one has beliefs being forced upon them. But that seems to be about the highest bar of entry for an interested developer I have seen in any project.

Not waving pitchforks here, I'm fine with them having this code of ethics, even tough I disagree with about half the points and find being asked to do such a pledge way to intrusive into personal life.

chasil|3 years ago

This point seems incongruous to me, without its opposite:

"45. Be in dread of hell."

In zeal for mutual understanding, and practical fruit in general solutions that solve problems escaping a single perspective, would be that opposite for me.

We cannot approach the sublime within ourselves by fear, in my opinion.

There are a few other well-known teachings that appear to be missing from these rules, the first among them is the New Commandment.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Commandment

tootie|3 years ago

I'm not sure what their organization is exactly but a private company isn't allowed to force a religious test on employees. I think it doesn't apply to an open source project but I sure don't like it. It's exclusionary.

phpisthebest|3 years ago

That is the thing, Modern code of conduct policies are about governing the behavior of others, not a statement of how one will conduct themselves.

It is an important distinction many people over look

jimbob45|3 years ago

Except for all the current developers which makes it seem like Christianity is a prerequisite for getting hired or contributing.

I get frustrated at the SJW CoCs but this is arguably just as bad or worse.

ksherlock|3 years ago

Every time you come home and the SQLite developers aren't having sex with your wife, you should appreciate their code of Ethics. What other software makes that promise? Heck, Oracle probably probably upcharges, $500,000 or more for a 6-9s no adultery support plan (and that still gives them 52 minutes a year to commit adultery with your wife!)

flaviut|3 years ago

SQLite neither accepts external contribution nor do they hire anyone.

jhgb|3 years ago

> makes it seem like Christianity is a prerequisite for getting hired or contributing

...how could one possibly get this impression, when it literally says "No one is required to follow The Rule"?