[mike_pol]

I appreciate where you’re coming from but experiencing the joy of dual clutch automatics and their shifts in BMWs and Audis that I had the joy to diving might change your mind. The latency you mention is really not there. Admittedly I could not service it if it broke but aren’t cars consumables now?

[Cthulhu_]

> aren’t cars consumables now?

Maybe if you're in the earning high-5 figures a year bracket in SF, but for regular people, a car is likely the most or second most expensive thing they own (second to a home). New cars is something for dual-earners and rich folk, for us regular people - and I am a high income earner - new cars, even on finance, is just not an option.

(I'm currently driving a used 2009 Ford Focus, <200K Km on the dial)

[davchana]

& to add, some of us rent home, so the car is literally anything where we have some equity (& rest the bank owns).

[krallja]

> high-5 figures a year bracket in SF

Lower class?

[Nullabillity]

In what deluded world are items that cost tens of thousands of dollars consumables?!

> I appreciate where you’re coming from but experiencing the joy of dual clutch automatics and their shifts in BMWs and Audis that I had the joy to diving might change your mind.

Yeah, no thanks. A good manual transmission is a core part of the driving experience.

[CraigJPerry]

>> A good manual transmission is a core part of the driving experience.

Which cars have those today or in the time-frame of the F-series BMWs from TFA?

Every fiat/chrysler gearbox is sloppy gooey junk thing, even their performance models have horrific manual gear shifts.

I'll cut to the chase instead of listing Ford, Peugeot, etc. etc.

The Porsche Cayman 982 manual shift feels awesome to use, it's a delight but that only opens up a new can of worms, the gear ratios are farrr too long (emissions targets i suppose), utterly ruining the experience. The PDK is the better choice (and it even has shorter ratios to boot!).

[gambiting]

>>Yeah, no thanks. A good manual transmission is a core part of the driving experience.

Yeah, no thanks. A good dual clutch automatic is my choice when it comes to actually driving in a sprited way.

But you know what? To each their own.

[Gordonjcp]

> Yeah, no thanks. A good manual transmission is a core part of the driving experience.

I learned to drive in manuals (because they're more common in the UK). I currently own two automatics and drive a variety of manuals, automatics and EVs that are kind of inherently "automatic".

I don't see any difference in "driving experience" between manual and automatic. What do *you* think the difference is?

[bonestamp2]

> In what deluded world are items that cost tens of thousands of dollars consumables?

I don't think consumable is the right word, but I assume they meant in the sense that many cars are leased, so the drive never really owns a car -- they just "consume" cars as they move from lease to lease.