[elldoubleyew]

> The Chinese government is an adversary of the West whether we like it or not.

I'd like to se a source on this. I don't think different political ideologies imply adversarial intentions. China has been as friendly to the west as it can be while still protecting its own cultural and economic interests.

If western leaders would stop seeing China as the enemy and instead as a partner we would see a rise in infrastructure and economic opportunity globally.

China is not trying to do global charity work, they have their own motives as well. They are also not the devil incarnate. I would argue that their intentions in foreign policy are still _generally_ more morally palpable than most western nations.

[alonsonic]

I would recommend you to read the article below that explores why TikTok could prove a real danger to West citizens.

https://stratechery.com/2020/the-tiktok-war/

China has stated in multiple occasions that the ideologies of the west are a threat to the country and that they will actively work against them.

[AlbertCory]

> I'd like to see a source on this.

Get real. It's a worldview, not a scientific fact.

You can agree or disagree, but finding one source that supports or opposes that worldview is not going to make any difference.

[PKop]

>I don't think different political ideologies imply adversarial intentions

Your source could be human conflict for all of recorded history.

It's not primarily ideological, it's geopolitical realism. They are a growing economic and military power in a different geographic sphere, competing over global influence and power. The history of civilization is conflict over scarce resources, space, and power. China is a cohesive ethnic and political collective and nation that exists separate from the US, it's government and citizens.

Of course there is and will always be room for co-operation in many areas; economic trade is a big one. But conflict over competing interests is a fact of life and where that comes into conflict global adversaries and enemies are created.

"Morality" is not a good metric to guide geopolitics, where material national interests and power dictate more than anything.

[senttoschool]

> Your source could be human conflict for all of recorded history.

Can you compare the human conflict for all of recorded history between China and the US (+Europeans who influenced the US)?

[2OEH8eoCRo0]

I didn't say enemy, you did. I said adversary.

[atlasunshrugged]

There's literally a category of diplomacy called 'wolf warrior diplomacy' because of the recently aggressive nature of China towards foreign nations. I'm not sure they have been "as friendly to the west as it can be while still protecting..." unless you believe that to protect their cultural and economic interests they need to expand.

Can you help me understand the logic of "generally more morally palpable than most western nations?" When I look at China's global activities, I see lots of IP theft, aggressive trade deals, debt diplomacy, investing in infrastructure yes... but then bringing in their own people to staff the projects (I saw this firsthand last year doing work in both Kenya and Cameroon and traveling through Uganda), bullying governments and organizations to toe the CCP party line (e.g. Houston Rockets), taking over Hong Kong and shutting down the free media there, basically paying off Muslim nations to keep them quiet regarding the Uyghur genocide.... and this is just off the top of my head!

[MetroWind]

I don't know if you are American or not. But it's funny to see US people saying other countries are "aggressive".

[xdennis]

> China has been as friendly to the west as it can be while still protecting its own cultural and economic interests.

I'm not implying you're doing it, but whenever I hear people defend China, they always use the word "culture" to defend totalitarianism/communism, as if they're part of Chinese culture.

[leephillips]

I’m not sure if “palpable” is the word you want, but in any case: China’s foreign policy intentions include making independent, sovereign nations part of China against their wishes and asserting military control over a huge part of the oceans far beyond any internationally recognized limits. The former is a done deal with Tibet, because the world grew weary of complaining about it, and Taiwan is next. The South China Sea is also basically a done deal. I can’t think of a Western nation right now that‘s behaving in this way, or anything close to it. This is not even to mention the ongoing genocide of at least one population within China.