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pcmoney | 3 years ago

Whats the best window manager for Mac?

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KerrAvon|3 years ago

The window manager is part of the UI stack on macOS and can’t be replaced in the way a Linux user would expect.

There are utilities that attempt to provide some alternative window behaviors; they are all hacks — by necessity — because macOS does not support altering window behavior/appearance globally.

corrral|3 years ago

> they are all hacks — by necessity

To be clear, though, the "hack" I use (Spectacle) isn't even actively developed anymore, but has worked flawlessly through a decade of macOS upgrades. Zero problems, zero glitches, even with multiple monitors it just works exactly how I expect.

If only non-"hack" Linux GUI software were this stable and perfectly-functioning over such a long time span.

DonHopkins|3 years ago

And X-Windows + ICCCM (I39L) isn't a hack??!

And why doesn't X-Windows also support altering menu appearance globally (like supporting pie menus in every app), too? NeWS did, over three decades ago.

NeWS Tab Window Demo (1990)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMcmQk-q0k4

X-Windows Disaster

https://donhopkins.medium.com/the-x-windows-disaster-128d398...

Ice Cube: The Lethal Weapon

One of the fundamental design goals of X was to separate the window manager from the window server. “Mechanism, not policy” was the mantra. That is, the X server provided a mechanism for drawing on the screen and managing windows, but did not implement a particular policy for human-computer interaction. While this might have seemed like a good idea at the time (especially if you are in a research community, experimenting with different approaches for solving the human-computer interaction problem), it can create a veritable user interface Tower of Babel.

If you sit down at a friend’s Macintosh, with its single mouse button, you can use it with no problems. If you sit down at a friend’s Windows box, with two buttons, you can use it, again with no problems. But just try making sense of a friend’s X terminal: three buttons, each one programmed a different way to perform a different function on each different day of the week — and that’s before you consider combinations like control-left-button, shift-right-button, control-shift-meta-middle-button, and so on. Things are not much better from the programmer’s point of view.

As a result, one of the most amazing pieces of literature to come out of the X Consortium is the “Inter Client Communication Conventions Manual,” more fondly known as the “ICCCM”, “Ice Cubed,” or “I39L” (short for “I, 39 letters, L”). It describes protocols that X clients must use to communicate with each other via the X server, including diverse topics like window management, selections, keyboard and colormap focus, and session management. In short, it tries to cover everything the X designers forgot and tries to fix everything they got wrong. But it was too late — by the time ICCCM was published, people were already writing window managers and toolkits, so each new version of the ICCCM was forced to bend over backwards to be backward compatible with the mistakes of the past.

The ICCCM is unbelievably dense, it must be followed to the last letter, and it still doesn’t work. ICCCM compliance is one of the most complex ordeals of implementing X toolkits, window managers, and even simple applications. It’s so difficult, that many of the benefits just aren’t worth the hassle of compliance. And when one program doesn’t comply, it screws up other programs. This is the reason cut-and-paste never works properly with X (unless you are cutting and pasting straight ASCII text), drag-and-drop locks up the system, colormaps flash wildly and are never installed at the right time, keyboard focus lags behind the cursor, keys go to the wrong window, and deleting a popup window can quit the whole application. If you want to write an interoperable ICCCM compliant application, you have to crossbar test it with every other application, and with all possible window managers, and then plead with the vendors to fix their problems in the next release.

In summary, ICCCM is a technological disaster: a toxic waste dump of broken protocols, backward compatibility nightmares, complex nonsolutions to obsolete nonproblems, a twisted mass of scabs and scar tissue intended to cover up the moral and intellectual depravity of the industry’s standard naked emperor.

Using these toolkits is like trying to make a bookshelf out of mashed potatoes. - Jamie Zawinski

selykg|3 years ago

I really like Rectangle. There’s a ton of apps like it. Some even more complex and some even more simple. Depends on your needs.

creakingstairs|3 years ago

I use Yabai. It’s free, open source and works amazing. Need some fiddling around at the start though.

sphynxie|3 years ago

Been using amethyst for years, can't live without it