[thrwawy283]

I want it, but I'm not getting it until all the hardware works under Linux.

MacOS is great, but someday they will stop updating MacOS for this. I see it as a device with incredible longevity because of the fanless thermals and how it sips energy. I could see myself using it 10 years later. I want to run MacOS or Fedora Silverblue, with Silverblue being my true love. Immutable OS images <3

HAH, downvoted in seconds. Would not be surprised if there are Apple employees brigading this.

[dang]

> HAH, downvoted in seconds. Would not be surprised if there are Apple employees brigading this.

You broke more than one site guideline with this. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here? We'd appreciate it.

[senttoschool]

I don't think you're downvoted because of fanboys.

I think you're downvoted because:

1. Linux is coming to Apple Silicon sooner or later. You can buy now, enjoy macOS, and then install Linux later.

2. It's not reasonable to expect to use it for 10 years. Even if Apple stops supporting it, you can still use it. In addition, Macs have insane resale value. So you can sell it in 5 years, and then buy a new one. This is a more reasonable approach than yours.

3. Apple tends to support their laptops for a long time. Usually 7-8 years. And given that this is their own chip and it's extremely powerful, I can see it being supported for 8 years at least.

[thrwawy283]

1) We are now 2 generations in without full Linux support for the hardware.

2) I used my Powerbook G4 for 12 years; this is mostly because I was a kid with no money. When I got something else, my sister used it for another 3 years. With thermals as they are in this device, instead of selling it after 4-5 years I'd rather keep it for one-off projects as a server like a Mac Mini. I know laptops aren't designed for server work, but I love that it's a server with a builtin terminal. Also a device I'd use for hiking, because I could charge it from backpack solar.

3) The worst experience I've had was telling my dad MacOS Catalina couldn't be installed on his $3.5k iMac.

As you said in your other comment, M3 will be 3nm TSMC? Maybe Linux will look good on Apple Silicon then.

[johnfernow]

> 2. It's not reasonable to expect to use it for 10 years. Even if Apple stops supporting it, you can still use it. In addition, Macs have insane resale value. So you can sell it in 5 years, and then buy a new one. This is a more reasonable approach than yours.

Why is that? I still use my 2015 15" MacBook Pro which released 7 years ago, and I have no intention of replacing it anytime soon. This isn't the 70s, 80s, 90s or early 2000s: the improvements in performance from one year to the next are far more modest and the utility of further improvements are far less impactful than they once were. My 2015 MBP is still as capable of browsing the web, writing code, and video editing as it was back in 2016 when I got it. It's not in any way slow doing any of those tasks.

The performance of an M2 MacBook would undoubtedly be much better, but am I actually going to be able to browse the web faster or write code any faster? Probably not.

A new 16-inch MacBook Pro with 1TB storage emits approximately 620kg of CO2e in its manufacturing process (The Carbon Footprint of Everything by Mike Berners-Lee, 2020 second edition, page 140). Why should someone emit more than half a ton of CO2e for a new laptop unless they really need it?

If you have a Mac that no longer gets OS updates by Apple, as long as it was released within the past decade you should be able to use OpenCore Legacy Patcher to update it to macOS Monterey (and later Ventura when it releases) without much issue. If it's older than that, you might run into some issues, but generally speaking everything from late 2008 and beyond is supported, with everything from late 2012 and beyond being fully supported.

https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/START.htm...

[eertami]

>enjoy macOS

If you're wanting to use your laptop for development work, you're going to pick the best job for the task. Moving to OSX would not only slow things down due to how slow non-native Docker is (no it is not negligible, yes I have an M1 Mac and I have tested it in a side-by-side comparison), but you have much less control over your environment compared to Linux.

The vast majority of the people I've worked with choose to use Linux laptops over Macs, and I don't think CPU efficiency is something that's going to get them to change. While working from home, I can think of zero scenarios where I need more than 8 hours of battery life, which my x86 Intel laptop already exceeds.

[yjftsjthsd-h]

> It's not reasonable to expect to use it for 10 years.

Why ever not? I have 14 year old laptops that run fully up to date Linux just fine. Why can unpaid volunteers do better than one of the most profitable companies on earth?

> So you can sell it in 5 years

That just makes the looming end of support someone else's problem, it doesn't actually solve anything.

[SenHeng]

I just checked several online auction sites and my 10 year old 2012 quad core Mac Mini can be sold for about $300 while my 5 year old 2017 retina MacBook can be sold for around $500.

That is insane.

* values converted to USD. Prices may differ in countries actually using USD.

[krzyk]

> enjoy macOS

This is not something, a person that wants Linux, will enjoy.

> It's not reasonable to expect to use it for 10 years. Even if Apple stops supporting it, you can still use it

I'm not sure, my friend has M1 Macbook Air and he complains that it looses performance after a year.

[diffeomorphism]

Why are 10 years not reasonable? Like ebay is full of 2013 laptops and people buy these.

If it is not reasonable why can you resell it for a large amount after 5 years?

[frakkingcylons]

> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email [e-mail] and we'll look at the data.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[abrouwers]

I'm a current Linux Desktop (plasma) user, who is really tempted by this machine, given my 6 year old thinkpad is showing it's age. I'm not sure I can get used to MacOS's window management, even though the rest of the OS looks great. I'm definitely not a power user on linux (mostly sticking to defaults), but things like not being able to adjust the green button to maximize a window? Ugh.

[timdev2]

There are a number of utilities to improve window management on MacOS. I find rectangle[0] works reliably, without trying to do too much. Easy keyboard shortcuts to maximize, snap to 50% left/right, or quadrants.

[0]: https://rectangleapp.com/

[SamuelAdams]

I use rectangle (app) for snapping windows around. I think CMD F will full screen just about every app, if not it’s another keyboard shortcut. You can also assign your own shortcuts in the keyboard preferences.

[spallas]

https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.t...