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wjossey | 3 years ago

Always excited when chess pops up on HN once a month or so. As someone who picked it up as a hobby in December, I can attest that lichess is a great app and site for folks looking to get back into the game or get started (I’m also a premium chess.com member as I use both products).

For those of you thinking about picking up chess, I’d highly recommend watching the Chess Brah “Building Habits” series on YouTube. Watch the first five or so videos, and just start practicing those habits in rapid games (recommend 15 minute with 10 second increment on lichess, which shows up as 15+10). Embrace the losses, and just keep working on not hanging your pieces for free.

If you’re intimidated by playing other humans, you can try the “Maia 1” bot on Lichess. It’ll likely beat you up for a while if you’re a beginner, but it’s a bot designed to play more like a human, and it’ll help you get the reps to feel more comfortable playing other humans.

From there, just enjoy yourself. Chess can be frustrating because by design you always lose about 50% or your takes, but once you learn to accept the losses, it can be a great mental exercise to keep your brain sharp.

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rearend-dev|3 years ago

I agree. I would also recommend Daniel Naroditsky's speed run video series. He starts with new account and explains his ideas and thoughts as he progress to higher and higher elo.

heartbreak|3 years ago

Naroditsky has the most accessible teaching videos on YouTube as far as I’m concerned. He’s also writing a regular chess column for NYT.

randomNumber7|3 years ago

I really like Yasser Seirawan's lectures on youtube. Its amazing how he can talk about a chess game and make it appear exciting.

Wherecombinator|3 years ago

Any tips on handling losses? I’ve become a puzzle only player recently because I end up getting pissed off with myself after a loss

m12k|3 years ago

Think of the loss as a form of payment. What it buys you is experience. So whenever you lose, ask yourself what experience that just bought you? What improvement does it allow you to bring into your future games?

If your mindset is to become a better player, rather than winning, then a loss is still a way to gain something. And long term, you'll win more games if you think this way

cjbprime|3 years ago

People will tell you to not care about losing or your rating, but that didn't work for me.

What worked for me is "the rating I care about is my rating in three months from now, not today", which gives space for learning from losses etc.

iambateman|3 years ago

Because of how ELO works, your win-loss ratio will pretty quickly normalize to 50-50, regardless of how good you are.

Over time your increased rating will reflect increased skill, but even if your skill was doubled tomorrow, you would still hit a 50-50 W/L because you would be playing people at the same skill level.

However…if you want to feel better, play for a couple weeks and then challenge an occasional player. Once you obliterate them, you’ll feel better about the losses it took to get there. :)

xedrac|3 years ago

I had a very strong coach work with me on this exact problem. He required me to reframe my definition of what it means to win. Basically it came down the the quality of effort I put into the game. If I put everything I have into a game and lose, it now feels like a win, because I know it will make me stronger. Conversely, if I don't give a good effort, but happen to win the game, I count that as a loss. This only applies to longer time control games. I still play blitz now and then for light fun.

Arch-TK|3 years ago

For me the biggest blocker was over-focusing on the numbers going up and down. On lichess you can make all ratings invisible (bottom of the preferences page, "Show player ratings"). This means you can't see your own rating or your opponent's. Your opponent can obviously still see both if he or she doesn't have this option enabled.

QuantumGood|3 years ago

Make a list of the reasons you get angry, and re-write and filter down to the top two. Write those somewhere and look at it regularly. You'd be amazed at how useful subconscious insights will filter up into consciousness this way.

runarberg|3 years ago

A couple of points:

* Every time you win, someone else must loose. You should be happy to make the same sacrifice.

* If you loose half your games, you are playing at your appropriate skill level. If you play consistently you will inevitably reach that point.

alfiedotwtf|3 years ago

I'm a Lichess puzzle player. I find it more entertaining than a full game, and can fit a puzzle or two anytime rather than a match (even a bullet game is too draining for a quick time-filler)

brian_herman|3 years ago

You don't learn anything with a win. You learn a lot with a loss.

aklemm|3 years ago

A world in which only you win chess games would be pretty boring. Just sort of work backwards from that perspective.

smugma|3 years ago

Curious, why do you subscribe to chess.com? What does it offer that lichess does not?

wjossey|3 years ago

Both platforms are worth supporting. Com does a lot of great events and creates great content, and I like supporting it. I also prefer their UX.

Lichess has Maia bot, some good course material as well, and I like to use my lichess account sometimes as an “alt” where I can experiment with less stress about losing rating. Rating doesn’t matter, but it still makes me queasy if I tilt 100 points while trying out a new opening.

edgyquant|3 years ago

For me it’s just leagues better. The UI/UX is nicer, the lessons are nice videos with a roadmap to understanding chess, etc.

The only benefit I ever got from Lichess is that it’s open source which is nice.

billfruit|3 years ago

Also learn the "London System", and try play correspondence style games.