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whylo | 3 years ago

GOV.UK PaaS always ran on top of AWS (though in UK and Ireland regions), so it's always been dependent on a US company anyway

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naasking|3 years ago

> so it's always been dependent on a US company anyway

I'm not sure large multinational corporations belong to any specific country at this point.

dfadsadsf|3 years ago

One thing that became extremely clear after anti-Russian sanctions were imposed is that multinational corporations absolutely belong to specific country or set of countries.

Putting government websites and services on AWS or Azure pretty much precludes independent foreign or domestic policy. It's ok now (UK and US are pretty tight) but things/alliances change and in 20 or 30 years it could become huge problem.

yunohn|3 years ago

If anything, they belong to the governments that offer the best tax rates and least liability. For FAANG, this often means the Ireland + Netherlands.

mellavora|3 years ago

should be:

I'm sure specific country belongs to large multinational corporation at this point.

There, fixed it for you :)

capableweb|3 years ago

Is there any Europe-based PaaS currently operating, that are noteworthy? Most companies seems to be US-based.

yannski|3 years ago

Scalingo https://scalingo.com is basically a french Heroku-compatible PaaS based on a reliable french IaaS (Outscale, cloud subsidiary of Dassault Systemes, the famous maker of Catia, Solidworkds, etc)

Veen|3 years ago

I understand the intent of the question, but in this case a UK-based alternative would be preferable, not just a European alternative. The UK is more likely to find itself at odds with France than the U.S.

That thought reminds me of a conversation in an episode of Yes Prime Minister:

> Hacker: I sometimes wonder why we need the [nuclear] weapons.

> Sir Humphrey: Minister! You're not a unilateralist?

> Hacker: I sometimes wonder, you know.

> Sir Humphrey: Well, then, you must resign from the government!

> Hacker: Ah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not that unilateralist! Anyway, the Americans will always protect us from the Russians, won't they?

> Sir Humphrey: Russians? Who's talking about the Russians?

> Hacker: Well, the independent deterrent.

> Sir Humphrey: It's to protect us against the French!

chadwcarlson|3 years ago

Platform.sh is another (employee here). We're a French PaaS and DevOps platform. So we provide hosting, but also every bit of operations needed to provision infrastructure and true staging environments for every pull request/branch with just a `git branch`. We work with Azure, GCP, AWS for 9+ regions across the globe, many of those in Europe. This has allowed us to also provide the backend for OVHCloud's WebPaaS (https://www.ovhcloud.com/en-gb/web-paas/) behind-the-scenes.

harry-wood|3 years ago

Memset is based in the UK. Used them a few years back, but I'm afraid we moved to AWS after a few too many reliability issues.

jeromenerf|3 years ago

"Europe based": yes, we are french.

"Currently operating": yes, steadily, for seven years now.

"Noteworthy": yes, I really hope we are, at least, we have been quite newsworthy recently

"Most companies seems to be US-based": well, we have US employees and we are running on top of US based companies infrastructure, amongst others.

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tazjin|3 years ago

Yandex, I guess.

You also have a variety of smaller providers hosting OpenStack, which gives you some platformy services.

sofixa|3 years ago

There's Scaleway that provide managed Kubernetes and also "serverless" (containers or functions as a service, based on Knative).

eastbound|3 years ago

Is OVH a PaaS?

rorymalcolm|3 years ago

I feel the biggest PaaS offerrings in Europe are internal deployments within the enterprise!