Exactly my point. The fact that it is unrelated without making any useful point IS the point. It has become so vogue and tiresome at HN to hit on everything Musk. Tesla remains the safest car on the road with advanced vehicle technologies:
"Tesla cars using driver-assist systems are significantly less likely to crash than Waymo/Transdev/GM's Cruise, according to NHTSA's data. Although the regulator's data only show the number of accidents such a conclusion is obvious with a little digging" [1]
This refers to "NHTSA Releases Initial Data on Safety Performance of Advanced Vehicle Technologies" (June 15, 2022) [2]. In that actual report, it misleads by showing that Tesla has the highest number of crashes of all SAE Levels 3-5 automated driving systems, when in fact that is only because they have the highest number of Level3-5 vehicles and drivers on the road and in fact they have the lowest number of accidents per thousand drivers per year. There is a good video discussion on this [3]
You won't hear any complaint about me that the reports and the articles about them show basic innumeracy (at least the NHTSA report says "Summary Incident Report Data Are Not Normalized").
But it's quite clear the report has other, deep issues, which prevent it from being useful: "it is important to note that these crashes are categorized based on what driving automation system was reported as being equipped on the vehicle, not on what system was reported to be engaged at the time of the incident."
I only want to see a report about crashes that occurred when the system engaged and the user was not given an opportunity to take over with enough lead time.
I don't think the companies are sharing that detailed information right now.
The F150 accident was two young people manually driving their vehicle into a barrier off the road, likely while intoxicated, and not wearing seatbelts. Different scenario. Also, the media reported on both situations, did mean the tesla one was picked up nationally?
Do you know that they were manually driving the F150? Newer models have adaptive cruise control, pre-collision automatic breaking, a lane-keeping system, evasive steering assist, and they starting implementing self-driving features 2 years ago.
stevenjgarner|3 years ago
"Tesla cars using driver-assist systems are significantly less likely to crash than Waymo/Transdev/GM's Cruise, according to NHTSA's data. Although the regulator's data only show the number of accidents such a conclusion is obvious with a little digging" [1]
This refers to "NHTSA Releases Initial Data on Safety Performance of Advanced Vehicle Technologies" (June 15, 2022) [2]. In that actual report, it misleads by showing that Tesla has the highest number of crashes of all SAE Levels 3-5 automated driving systems, when in fact that is only because they have the highest number of Level3-5 vehicles and drivers on the road and in fact they have the lowest number of accidents per thousand drivers per year. There is a good video discussion on this [3]
[1] https://twitter.com/EvaFoxU/status/1537149521955889153
[2] https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/initial-data-release-ad...
[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMpozSBXpN4&t=459
dekhn|3 years ago
But it's quite clear the report has other, deep issues, which prevent it from being useful: "it is important to note that these crashes are categorized based on what driving automation system was reported as being equipped on the vehicle, not on what system was reported to be engaged at the time of the incident."
I only want to see a report about crashes that occurred when the system engaged and the user was not given an opportunity to take over with enough lead time. I don't think the companies are sharing that detailed information right now.
dekhn|3 years ago
smegsicle|3 years ago
i think you're on the right track with that one
ortusdux|3 years ago