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mgunyho | 3 years ago

Indeed, Python would be a good language to implement this in terms of ease of development, but it's very difficult to distribute a standalone binary (which I wanted to do). The built-in curses support of Python is also not cross-platform I think.

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chrismorgan|3 years ago

It’s a funny thing I’ve noticed about scripting languages: they’re generally easier to get going with yourself, but they’re horrible for distribution/deployment, and if you have to integrate code written in other languages (even C libraries with Python bindings, or similar—things like wxWidgets or GTK), that rapidly escalates to a nightmare. Meanwhile, ahead-of-time compiled languages like Rust and Go are simply a breeze to distribute/deploy.

mgunyho|3 years ago

That's true, although I think in the case of Go, it is a central design decision to make single-binaries easy so it's more of an exception to the rule.

I don't think it's an inherent feature of scripting languages that they are hard to distribute. I'm pretty sure it's possible to package up a tiny Lua interpreter (or e.g. QuickJS) and all necessary scripts into a standalone file.

mixmastamyk|3 years ago

There are several working options for packaging Python apps, some existing for twenty years. Sure, while a little more complicated than compiling a static executable, it is hardly a "nightmare." It's basically writing a config file, and adding another stanza to a Makefile or modern equivalent.

Reminds me of the idea regularly pushed here that you need a virtualenv even for thirty-line scripts. I read these kind of takes here often and am a bit baffled by them. Maybe it is because developers have lost administrator skills over time, that this feels like an insurmountable challenge?

nibbleshifter|3 years ago

Standalone Python apps as binaries tend to be poorly performant, and huge (due to shipping an interpreter, stdlib, deps, etc) in my experience.

Assuming you get it working at all.

jonnycomputer|3 years ago

I'd prefer an informative rebuttal if people disagree with nibbleshifter, because I want to learn.