[whittingtonaaon]

I agree with you. The way I stated it was a little blunt. But no matter what the hard sciences show, they don’t really make claims about subjective experience. This is simply because the hard sciences by definition make no such claims. They can find things like correlations between states of matter and claimed subjective experience, but this doesn’t really get to the point. I think if it ever does, it will be such a huge revolution that what we’re left with should be called something other than physics or chemistry.

[visarga]

> correlations between states of matter and claimed subjective experience

correlations between the bits in the video memory and the claimed IMDB score of the movie

I think you're looking for consciousness on the wrong level.

[ithkuil]

I think people often conflate consciousness with the perception of consciousness (or consciousness of consciousness, or meta-consciousness).

Imagine a being that is "conscious* of some experience, but lacks the ability of reflecting about the fact that it has just witnessed an experience. Is such a being "conscious"? Answers will vary but I suspect they vary because people are answering different questions. Some are thinking about the meta-consciousness and some about direct consciousness.