[sinsterizme]

That’s great for you, but it’s quite common for vegans to suffer from b12 deficiency. And that’s just a commonly tested one but meat also contains iron, taurine, creatine, and a lot more that is hard to get from non meat sources. Personally I went low meat (not even close to vegan) and suffered. My b12 was low normal, yet I definitely felt the effects.

[drooby]

Just want to add that I eat mostly vegetarian/vegan and bouldering at v4 level. Also very easily gaining muscle and not thinking too much about my diet. Just paid for every possible blood test that my doctor could provide and everything was in healthy ranges. Truth is… taking a b12 vitamin a few times per week and having some vegan protein shakes a few times per week is super easy. Truth is… there a lot of vegans that just don’t have super basic knowledge about the diet. But it’s actually super easy to figure it out if you put in maybe 1-2 days of research.

Also, something like one third of all Americans have low-normal b12 levels. A lot more people should be supplementing in general.

[Maursault]

> But it’s actually super easy to figure it out if you put in maybe 1-2 days of research.

Vegans always say this. It is not true, or it is only half true, because you may gain the knowledge but very often still not have any options. I am vegetarian (cheese is my protein source because though I love the bean, it is a bitch to prepare). I am terrible at vegetarianism, but it isn't my fault. Nearly everything available has some animal byproduct in it, and nearly everything available is also not all that healthy, filled with sugar and salt. It takes something like a detective's mind and drive to sift through a grocery store and find things that are actually good for you unless you prepare every meal from its most basic constituents. On the road? Good luck finding vegan or vegetarian meals. I honestly find it offensive that everything everywhere is based on the meat eater's diet with either one single or no decent alternative menu item, which is just as likely to be mac and cheese.

It is terribly annoying and difficult to eat healthy and vegetarian, let alone vegan, especially in the South and in the sticks. It takes virtuous dedication and extreme vigilance, while carnivores need take no effort whatsoever. I don't understand why there isn't a vegan/vegetarian national chain restaurant, and one without bazaar menu items no one's ever heard of. Veggie fast food is a great idea, would draw crowds, but it simply does not exist. Why isn't half the frozen section filled with vegetarian and healthy TV dinners? Why isn't the free market pouncing on providing healthy, simply healthy, food? Basic, square, vegetarian food is all I am after, and not finding it means I am pretty much starving myself and settling for meals that really aren't all that nutritious.

[therealdrag0]

What vegan shake you have?