Well, it was a convient carveout in post-civil war anti-slavery legistlation.
One can wonder why that was done, but it still exists regardless of that.
That said, prison labor is quite common across the globe and considered rehabilitating.
But here in Finland the prisoners are paid minimum wage or more per law.
This change happened in the last 15years or so and was mostly about it being considered unfair competition, which is an angle that might work in USA too.
Nobody should be forced to work for slave wages in slave conditions.
I wouldn’t treat my enemies that bad. And we spend a lot of time judging other countries and how they treat prisoners. What prisoners need is a prisoners union but prisons have built protections into preventing communications between jails. If all prisoners went on strike at the same time many things that rely on slave labour would come to a quick stop and the slave labour money machine would come to a crashing stop.
In Israel, prisoners can work for about 65% of minimum wage. This allows them to learn the value of work and of saving for the future. (This describes the court case that boosted the salary from ~40% https://news.walla.co.il/item/3409487 )
How much should they be paid? Presumably not as much as they would be outside the prison, given that the government pays for their accommodation, bills, food, medical, etc.
> The money I did have, from my job and from before my mom died, they let the people come garnish my account because of court fines. On those stimulus checks, they sent me the $1,200 and the $600. They took all of that.
Fuck that. Sending stimulus checks to prisoners is beyond asinine. But stealing stimulus check from prisoners is an entirely new level of evil.
Yup. There’s a song by Jedi Mind Tricks called Shadow Business. He says:
Slavery is not illegal, that's a fucking lie!
It is illegal, unless it's for conviction of a crime.
The main objective is to get you in your fucking prime.
And keep the prison full and not give you a fucking dime.
But they the real criminal keeping you confined.
For a petty crime but they give you two-to-nine.
I never really understood the lyrics until another article posted on HN recently and was shocked at how truthful the lyrics were.
I was incarcerated from Feb 2017 to Jan 2018. Five of those months were spent in Edgecombe County Jail, six months in Albemarle District Jail, and a few nights in Wake County Jail (downtown location, not Hammond Road). The reason for moving around is because I was a Federal detainee. The Federal government contracts with various local jails for housing prior to being transferred to a permanent facility post-sentencing, release, or deportation. In the three locations I named, there are limited opportunities for State inmates to work, and none for Federal ones. Despite this, people found ways to earn an income. The article touched on some of those ways, but many went unmentioned. Here are hustles that I have firsthand knowledge of:
Bookie, football pool: I inherited this game from Jakym Tibbs in Albemarle. The way it worked is that players would pay a $1-equivalent commissary item in exchange for an entry slip. On the slip they would select the winning teams from each Sunday NFL matchup, and an exact total score from a specific matchup as a tiebreaker. I collected the slips and commissary, and then recorded it onto a master sheet. I would take a cut of the prize pool. It was practically no income, just for some Sunday fun.
Tattooist, stick and poke: Ink can be created from soot or sourced from a flex-pen[0] and a staple or other small piece of metal will serve as a needle. Sell tattoos.
Tattooist, tattoo gun. Create a tattoo gun using a motor from a beard trimmer, a toothbrush, and a straightened and sharpened spring from an illicit ballpoint pen. This tool allows for much larger and more lucrative works, but is harder to conceal. Sell tattoos.
Vinter: Prison wine is called "Buck" in the North Carolina system. Buck is made by combining some bread, fruits, and a generous helping of sugar procured via Trustees. For small batches of Buck you can ferment it in individual bottles. For larger batches, double up a couple of clean garbage bags. You can make gallons of Buck this way, and then distribute it into bottles after it has finished fermenting. Sell the resulting product.
Pharmacist: Drugs can be smuggled into a jail via a corrupt guard, an inmate[1] entering from the street, or the mail. As for the mail, Suboxone strips are small enough to conceal in a letter. Practically anything else can be obtained by way of guards or inmates from outside. For rolling papers they would impregnate normal paper with a coffee mixture and then dry that out and use it for smoking marijuana. Obtain drugs and sell them for a markup.
Porn Merchant: Pornography is prohibited and so there is a market for it. You can rent or sell single pornographic images or an entire magazine of it.
Tailor: In Edgecombe the dress code was lax, and destruction of jumpsuits was not punished. Jumpsuits can be modified into a two-piece outfit, which allows for better range of motion. This makes your outfit more comfortable and is advantageous in fights. Obtain a razor or other sharpened blade and cut a jumpsuit in half at the waist. Cut vertical slits around the top of the shorts/pants and then run a string through those slits to act as a belt. Charge for this service.
Poker Dealer/Player: Poker chips were created by ripping up a deck of cards. The dealer took a percentage of the buy-in, and also played at the table. Cheating is met with violence.
Spades Player: You and a partner learn how to play Spades and go try your hand at the table. The buy-in to a game of Spades was a $1-equivalent commissary item. Some people would play this for 5+ hours a day, round after round, back to back to back, without speaking a word.
You also had thieves and strong arm robbers. If someone stole from you then you would have to meet it with violence, "check off" (get yourself transferred out of the unit), or become a target of increased predation.
I think I've basically covered everything that I encountered as far as money-making goes. The cooking, haircutting, and laundry side-hustles basically worked as described in the article.
Edit: Thought of some more! Artist, weaver, and hair braiding. The weaver created and sold little bracelets with designs on them. The artists took commissions, and the braiders did hair.
[0] Pen in a flexible, translucent rubber casing. See Shomer-Tec Prison Pen. While you could make the barrel wide enough to comfortably write with, the ballpoint tips on these are completely worthless.
[1] In the prisons you have green-clothes and brown-clothes, low and high security. I am told that some in green-clothes are eligible for employment in state services outside of the facility. Groundskeeping at the state ferry system, for example. During your work detail you can collect a parcel of contraband and then smuggle it back into the facility. It is then sold.
My friend used to make dice. Kick up some clay on the yard, form them and heat it on a heater made from batteries and paper clips then fill in the holes for the numbers with toothpaste.
The most lucrative hustle though was painting. Take old roll on deodorant bottles, fill them with water and drop candies in them, M&Ms, skittles, etc to make colors. Then paint people pictures and Holiday cards to send home. They went for a lot.
Yikes. This is why I support only under 30 days or life without parole incarceration, other punishments should be Singapore-style caning. I don’t think I should have to live next to people who lived in a place like what you describe.
Reading this, I've got the impression that prisons simply want to keep inmates busy 24/7: if all their energy is spent on basic needs, they won't have time for criminal activity. Money there is a meaningless token to facilitate the fiction of economy.
"I got in a fight, and they locked me down in the hole. I’ve been in this hole for more than two years now. You lose your job when you’re here. You sit in the room 24 hours a day. The only time they let us out is to go to the shower. We don’t go outside."
[+] [-] latchkey|3 years ago|reply
Looked up the artist and he has a ton of other stuff. I found a good interview with him, interesting guy [1].
[1] https://wertn.com/2022/04/max-guther/
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That said, prison labor is quite common across the globe and considered rehabilitating.
But here in Finland the prisoners are paid minimum wage or more per law. This change happened in the last 15years or so and was mostly about it being considered unfair competition, which is an angle that might work in USA too.
Nobody should be forced to work for slave wages in slave conditions.
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[+] [-] koolba|3 years ago|reply
Fuck that. Sending stimulus checks to prisoners is beyond asinine. But stealing stimulus check from prisoners is an entirely new level of evil.
[+] [-] effingwewt|3 years ago|reply
The prisoners amd their support systems (if they were lucky enough to have one) were still affected by the pandemic.
People got sick, lost jobs, etc.
Prices of items that they already pay insane amounts for keep going up.
One day we will look back on all of this with shame.
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[+] [-] philliphaydon|3 years ago|reply
Slavery is not illegal, that's a fucking lie! It is illegal, unless it's for conviction of a crime. The main objective is to get you in your fucking prime. And keep the prison full and not give you a fucking dime. But they the real criminal keeping you confined. For a petty crime but they give you two-to-nine.
I never really understood the lyrics until another article posted on HN recently and was shocked at how truthful the lyrics were.
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[+] [-] garrettgrimsley|3 years ago|reply
Bookie, football pool: I inherited this game from Jakym Tibbs in Albemarle. The way it worked is that players would pay a $1-equivalent commissary item in exchange for an entry slip. On the slip they would select the winning teams from each Sunday NFL matchup, and an exact total score from a specific matchup as a tiebreaker. I collected the slips and commissary, and then recorded it onto a master sheet. I would take a cut of the prize pool. It was practically no income, just for some Sunday fun.
Tattooist, stick and poke: Ink can be created from soot or sourced from a flex-pen[0] and a staple or other small piece of metal will serve as a needle. Sell tattoos.
Tattooist, tattoo gun. Create a tattoo gun using a motor from a beard trimmer, a toothbrush, and a straightened and sharpened spring from an illicit ballpoint pen. This tool allows for much larger and more lucrative works, but is harder to conceal. Sell tattoos.
Vinter: Prison wine is called "Buck" in the North Carolina system. Buck is made by combining some bread, fruits, and a generous helping of sugar procured via Trustees. For small batches of Buck you can ferment it in individual bottles. For larger batches, double up a couple of clean garbage bags. You can make gallons of Buck this way, and then distribute it into bottles after it has finished fermenting. Sell the resulting product.
Pharmacist: Drugs can be smuggled into a jail via a corrupt guard, an inmate[1] entering from the street, or the mail. As for the mail, Suboxone strips are small enough to conceal in a letter. Practically anything else can be obtained by way of guards or inmates from outside. For rolling papers they would impregnate normal paper with a coffee mixture and then dry that out and use it for smoking marijuana. Obtain drugs and sell them for a markup.
Porn Merchant: Pornography is prohibited and so there is a market for it. You can rent or sell single pornographic images or an entire magazine of it.
Tailor: In Edgecombe the dress code was lax, and destruction of jumpsuits was not punished. Jumpsuits can be modified into a two-piece outfit, which allows for better range of motion. This makes your outfit more comfortable and is advantageous in fights. Obtain a razor or other sharpened blade and cut a jumpsuit in half at the waist. Cut vertical slits around the top of the shorts/pants and then run a string through those slits to act as a belt. Charge for this service.
Poker Dealer/Player: Poker chips were created by ripping up a deck of cards. The dealer took a percentage of the buy-in, and also played at the table. Cheating is met with violence.
Spades Player: You and a partner learn how to play Spades and go try your hand at the table. The buy-in to a game of Spades was a $1-equivalent commissary item. Some people would play this for 5+ hours a day, round after round, back to back to back, without speaking a word.
You also had thieves and strong arm robbers. If someone stole from you then you would have to meet it with violence, "check off" (get yourself transferred out of the unit), or become a target of increased predation.
I think I've basically covered everything that I encountered as far as money-making goes. The cooking, haircutting, and laundry side-hustles basically worked as described in the article.
Edit: Thought of some more! Artist, weaver, and hair braiding. The weaver created and sold little bracelets with designs on them. The artists took commissions, and the braiders did hair.
[0] Pen in a flexible, translucent rubber casing. See Shomer-Tec Prison Pen. While you could make the barrel wide enough to comfortably write with, the ballpoint tips on these are completely worthless.
[1] In the prisons you have green-clothes and brown-clothes, low and high security. I am told that some in green-clothes are eligible for employment in state services outside of the facility. Groundskeeping at the state ferry system, for example. During your work detail you can collect a parcel of contraband and then smuggle it back into the facility. It is then sold.
[+] [-] hattmall|3 years ago|reply
The most lucrative hustle though was painting. Take old roll on deodorant bottles, fill them with water and drop candies in them, M&Ms, skittles, etc to make colors. Then paint people pictures and Holiday cards to send home. They went for a lot.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/UnethicalLifeProTips/comments/m9oqm...
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