[faceplanted]

> The question is whether we can recognize and want to solve the problems imo. Today our media seems incapable of highlighting issues. The media pushes a narrative to effect social change (ie political); rather than presents the issues.

Interesting. I actually have a completely opposite theory of media. In my experience and research, the way that news media effect change actually _is_ to make narratives and more importantly, bang on and on about them for quite possibly years.

Obviously, me being in the UK, it might be different. But I can find countless examples of the media just presenting issues neutrally and absolutely nothing happening. Because people presented with just an issue simply go "damn, that's crazy, someone should do something about that", and then forget it unless it's about dogs.

But the success cases of the media truly affecting change (I'd list some example but they're all UK cases. A big one is one of our papers spent years pushing for an investigation into a famous case of a mass death at a football match where the police blamed the victims for looting corpses and attacking people to deflect from them not acting in time.) But they all seem to include specifically _finding_ narratives to frame stories with and basically telling them again and again with constant calls to action and searching out every new detail about the story that can have anything done about it.

This is why the NRA are so incredibly effective at making change, they bang on and on about one thing and tell their members whenever anything they can show up to is happening and exactly what to say and do to disrupt or prevent it.

[Sir_Liigmaz]

The media (assuming were talking news media) needs to be held to a higher standard imo. The search for truth is a difficult, nuanced, and incredibly important to our society. Using it as a tool to push any narrative erodes trust in it and leads to more relativist crap.

[ethbr0]

I opined on this is another thread and essentially despaired of ever being able to hold the media to a higher standard, because of the regulating-the-experts problem.

In my thinking, we'll cause more harm than good by trying to adjust the output, so why try?

Instead, we should focus on the economic input and make it more profitable to produce quality news. And notably, that is very much not the economic incentives in place for news now.