[Crysstalis]

>At the end of the day it is up to users to decide what they want to do with their computers - and deal with pros and cons of their choices

The issue with this thinking is that those cons eventually cascade back to the developer, if you know for a fact users will use an option that is going to break the intended use case. Window Maker is going to be broken or have a sub par experience with the situation you describe, because that only works with applications that support this method. Old legacy applications with no scaling support will still need support from the window manager. So that is a perfect illustration of why that solution is inferior and can never work correctly if you want to take this angle of "I can make whatever choice I want, including the broken ones".

>Your responses indicate that your beliefs are wrong then

I do not think so, your additional writings have drifted further from that subject. I should remind you, this thread is a discussion of GNOME, not Window Maker.

[badsectoracula]

> The issue with this thinking is that those pros and cons eventually cascade back to the developer, if you know for a fact users will use an option that is going to break the intended use case.

Thinking "for a fact" that users will do something is a perfect way to make several of them unhappy when they want to do something else :-P.

> Window Maker is going to be broken or have a sub par experience with the situation you describe, because that only works with applications that support this method.

Maybe, but as i wrote, the alternative is either not using Window Maker or not having any scaling support, both of which would be way more undesirable for me.

> Old legacy applications with no scaling support will still need support from the window manager.

Sure, like any application with no scaling support in any platform that provides it, will need to support them somehow - this isn't limited to X11.

> So that is a perfect illustration of why that solution is inferior and can never work correctly if you want to take this angle of "I can make whatever choice I want, including the broken ones".

As far as i am concerned, the solution i describe is both superior and works perfectly fine when the alternative is introducing worse issues.

And this is the important bit: what i consider better and superior and what you consider better and superior are not the same thing, hence being able to have the option to set up things in the way each one likes (which of course relies on underlying systems that are modular enough to allow that).

> I do not think so, your additional writings have drifted further from that subject. I should remind you, this thread is a discussion of GNOME, not Window Maker.

I brought up Window Maker as an example that i have personal experience with, it could have also been IceWM or any other window manager without support for desktop composition.

Also FWIW my original reply in this thread wasn't about GNOME specifically either, it was a reply on some issues the original poster had with the Linux desktop environment in general (itself a post not specifically about GNOME too).

[Crysstalis]

>Thinking "for a fact" that users will do something is a perfect way to make several of them unhappy when they want to do something else :-P.

My point is those users will be unhappy anyway, they choose to break their own system. There is little reason to try to accommodate them further. The alternative is always going to be don't use that WM or don't have scaling support. It is not superior as you are always faced with this choice. That is the choice you get when you want to use legacy apps and WMs which is the only real reason to still be using X11.