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Road to war: US struggled to convince allies, and Zelensky, of risk of invasion

34 points| ethbr0 | 3 years ago |washingtonpost.com

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[+] anonygler|3 years ago|reply
I’m still stunned at how deeply we’ve compromised Russian intelligence. Not only in calling the invasion, but we’ve helped plan devastating Ukrainian counter offensives.
[+] ethbr0|3 years ago|reply
The US tends to be pretty good at surveillance in permissive environments.

And as part of an invasion, you're moving a lot of logistically-heavy materiel near international borders. And stockpiling it in quantities that look different than exercises.

It would have been somewhat surprising if we hadn't noticed, between the E-8 & RQ-4 flights.

What was most fascinating to me about the article was how little effort Russia put into their diplomatic masquerade. With a few more key meetings or different messaging, they could have achieved a more successful military outcome.

But I guess that failure speaks to how much of an echo chamber the leadership circles have become. Aka "We believe this, so why wouldn't everyone else?"

[+] ZeroGravitas|3 years ago|reply
There may just be some Russian patriots within their intelligence network who felt the invasion was a bad move for Russia and hoped alerting the US in advance would avert it.

Similar happened in the German military before WW2.

[+] 0xy|3 years ago|reply
The US' response has been incompetent. They're shipping billions of dollars in weapons to a country that every single media outlet admitted was constricted by systemic corruption mere years ago, and less than 30% of the weapons make it to the front lines.

You read that right. 70% of the US' weapons aid to Ukraine mysteriously disappears ($16,100,000,000 so far!). It's likely being sold by corrupt officials or stolen by European criminal gangs.

All of that military-grade hardware is going to be used to fuel European cartel and gang violence, because that's where it's going.

All further weapon aid to Ukraine should be considered another Operation Fast and Furious, but this time instead of arming cartels in Mexico, the US Government is arming cartels and gangs in Europe. Yet another foreign policy disaster, after swinging out of Afghanistan with nothing to show for it.

That's aside from the fact the US likely egged Russia on to invade in the first place, after all their invasion came weeks after Kamala Harris was on a sabre-rattling tour of Europe (she advocated Ukraine join NATO, a red line for Russia).

With friends like the US, why does Europe even need enemies?

[+] elvin_d|3 years ago|reply
It's not the first time the user making similar claims regarding Ukraine, such as [1] falsely claiming the country support nazi groups.

The claim of about 30% is inaccurate in the roots and Jonas Ohman words taken out of context [2]. Anyway, the investigation should be done but the commenter misleading everyone by trying to convert the theoretical 30% into $$$.

Additionally, the links that you provided in other comment misleading even more: 1. Providing a link from 2010 when Ukraine had a president Yanukovych and resulted in the maidan. 2. Survey with 25 responders.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30834924

[2] https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/08/09/taken-out-of-context-...

[+] bawolff|3 years ago|reply
70% of weapond being diverted is a pretty bold claim. Can you back that up with a source?
[+] Pigalowda|3 years ago|reply
So much weak whining. Were you crying while you wrote this?

$16B is so little to the US military that even for regular Americans it doesn’t move the needle of outrage like you think it would.

The US spent $2T and 20 years on mujahideen. Do you think anyone even liked those people?

6 months of Russian humiliation and this is the strength of their propaganda? $16B? Lol