SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

[IllIllIllIIlIll]

I would pay to hear eastdakota try to rationalize why protecting KF is a net good for the world. He professes to be a free speech absolutist, which is how they justified protecting controversial sites like The Daily Stormer and 8chan, but the purpose of KF is simply to harm specific, usually non-notable people through relentless doxxing (leading to relentless harassment or worse) usually only justified by them being transgender, or neurodivergent, or otherwise "cringe". There is nothing to debate in the free speech maximalist marketplace of ideas here, unless you seriously want to entertain the idea that vulnerable people deserve to be destroyed for the entertainment of psychopaths.

[phendrenad2]

As usual, it's a minority of users causing all of the problems. Most people on KF probably aren't doxxing or sending threats, but any time you get a group of people together to talk about someone, chances are some will take it too far. The ultimate example of this was Princess Diana (remember that?). The public was obsessed with her, and that demand fed a constant swarm of paparazzi which eventually led to her crash and death. If people were posting about her on KF, KF would surely be shut down by now.

There need to he clear rules. If we shut down every forum where someone says something bad once, are we going to shut down Facebook and Instagram? Of course not, we'll stop short of that. So we give an unfair advantage to Facebook and Instagram, forever entrenching them as the only platforms where speech can happen?

Getting back to the Princess Diana analogy, KF probably started as a harmless place to joke about public figures, but in the modern world where everyone is pushed to cultivate their own personal "brand", even someone as uninteresting as a nintendo emulator programmer, it puts regular people at risk of the worst kinds of stalking and harassment etc.

[bobsmooth]

>I would pay to hear eastdakota try to rationalize why protecting KF is a net good for the world.

Let me try. KF is a place to archive the publicly-posted online antics of people who willingly publish said antics to the internet. Interacting with the subject of a thread is against the rules and anyone bragging about doing so is banned. If you dislike the idea of people making fun of you for your actions, don't broadcast them to the internet.

[ksrm]

Some more information on what happened: https://globalnews.ca/news/9048763/trans-woman-twitch-stream...

This is the same group of trolls connected with the death of the emulator developer Near a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27652814

[richbell]

> This is the same group of trolls connected with the death of the emulator developer Near a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27652814

Wasn't this proven to be a hoax?

[phendrenad2]

What you're suggesting is a federal crime, just as a sidenote.

[bageljr]

Damn there's alot of pro kiwifarms nutjobs here. It's a shame because I really like the kinds of discussions on HN.

[iratewizard]

The entire discussion here will devolve into why it's okay to use censorship against my enemy because they are evil and I am virtuous.

[richbell]

Interesting point, though you aren't doing yourself any favours with your last sentence.

[mort96]

I think that tweet from Keffals was incredibly irresponsible and she was right in deleting it.

I think trying to get Cloudflare to stop supporting Kiwifarms is good.

You don't have to either deem a person purely good or purely bad, you can agree with some things they do and disagree with other things. It's not that hard.