[xabotage]

Faith is not commitment to "truth," but rather commitment to a belief regardless of its veracity. Science has nothing to do with "believing" something - its a process for determining what actually is true based on evidence. Historically, science has only been allowed to flourish as long as it tiptoed around the religious powers-that-be.

If you really think science boils down to a "minor variation on what has come before," I'm curious to know what millenia-dead philosophers managed to launch a JWST equivalent.

[barrysteve]

Faith is commitment to truth in Christianity and science has a lot to do with believing. People choose which of their hunches and theories at the edge of their individual knowledge with a leap of faith.

I said the Scientist operates on a minor variation on old ideas, not all of science. Quite frequently even the top echelon scientists are pushing science forwards based on ideas that started well before them.

These conversations aren't really possible anymore, people aren't interested in the meaning of words or meaning at all. They just want to relate to whatever goofball idea their tribe agrees with.

>I'm curious to know what millenia-dead philosophers managed to launch a JWST equivalent.

Oh so you want me to summarize the history of ideas after all -.-

[eis]

Uhm what? You can believe something is true but it does not make it objectively true.

Science is not believing in the sense of religion. Science is about curiousity and exploring ideas that one thinks might be true. The next step is to try to experimentaly verify the idea or to for example mathematicaly prove it. It's not about believing something is true and then stopping there.

  >  Quite frequently even the top echelon scientists are pushing science forwards based on ideas that started well before them.

What's wrong with that? Not every idea can be completely fresh. I am not sure what your point is.

  > These conversations aren't really possible anymore, people aren't interested in the meaning of words or meaning at all. They just want to relate to whatever goofball idea their tribe agrees with.

Sounds a lot like religion?

  > Oh so you want me to summarize the history of ideas after all -.- 

I don't see the connection between your answer and his question.