[Lurkars]

Yes I think you're totally right. That doesn't change the fact, that I just really don't like marketing and don't want to invest the time. Of course it's naive and not totally right, but to some point I would say, I am immune to advertising. If I need something, I do research if there is something valuable. If someone wants to sell me something, in the end I am even more skeptical about the product. Anyways, I didn't thought my post will get that much attention, it was more for my self-compassion. Because I know, how I at least COULD try to fix the issue. But I just don't want to. From another comment here:

> but they don't want take the required steps to get that attentions

In the end, it comes down to this. So yes, there is now solution. I want to get the benefit without investment because I dream of a world not existing where everyone would do research to find the best.

[bruce511]

>> That doesn't change the fact, that I just really don't like marketing and don't want to invest the time

Exactly. And you don't need to. No one says you _have_ to market. But marketing leads to attention. So I think you know the cause effect here.

>> . I want to get the benefit without investment because I dream of a world not existing where everyone would do research to find the best.

I'm not sure I can say this without being a dick, which is a pity, because I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm saying this out of a place of respect.

There are around 8 billion people on earth. I promise you that if I did all the research I'm pretty sure (statistically) your projects are not the best. There's an even chance they are not even average.

Plus, I'm guessing there are likely 100 projects that do what your do. Should I do a deep dive into each one. Do a comparative analysis? 1 hour on each? Say a month's full time job? Repeat for every bit of software I've ever installed?

Did you install each BSD build and every Linux distribution, and every other OS out there before you selected one for your computer? Did you try Oberon or reactOS? Surely you did your own research for this most critical part of computing?

Of course not. We outsource our research. We Google. We solicit the opinion of others. We use whatever is convenient, available, and in front of us.

Me, I did research. I decided that people who were prepared to put effort into marketing would make a product that better fitted my needs, because they are showing interest in customers.

Again, I say this not to be a dick. You have choices. You understand cause and effect. You are welcome to do the work, or you are welcome to labour in obscurity. It's your choice.

But make no mistake, you are not doing your own research, and you are not making the best product. I'm sure you are making things with value, but if you don't get it out there, we'll, the result is well understood.

[Lurkars]

Thanks, your not a dick at all with your comment. But of course I want to differentiate a bit. I have written about my two examples because there are only the two. I am not complaining about attention due to quality, bit attention of existence. And I am talking explicit about specialised projects with a core audience. To stay with your OS example: you're developing MacOS and everyone is only taking about Windows and Linux. But I still think this is not a good metaphor. And how do you outsource research? It's only possible because others did.

In case of my Gloomhaven app, I only really complain about my posts on Reddit don't be as visible as from the ONE other app.

In case of my hardware token: there didn't exists any kind of this, at least as cheap OSS project (it run on a 10€ M5Stack, currently only with battery pack for longer time but anyway). And the attention I wanted was, that some people see the potential and bring it to a real product. It was and is my first real C hardware project and as hobbyist, I just wanted someone with expertise in that métier grab my project and optimize it. I knew that my code was not good, because I have no expertise. But I also knew nothing like this existed and I thought it would be very useful.

My other projects? I don't care, I make all for fun, I have personal benefits of it, so I don't care. I also don't care about the named one in that direction. I am proud of myself and my GH app still get more appreciation than expected ever, so at all I am happy with all. Just a bit jealous yesterday and wrote about it. Never thought about getting so much resonance to it. And as already mentioned, I know I can change something to do more marketing, but a big thing missing: I don't sell a product here. And not complaining about getting famous around 8 billion people.

[andai]

In the last paragraph I think lies the key: attention makes you uncomfortable? So it sounds like you have an internal conflict where you both want and don't want attention at the same time.

Maybe I am similar, I am very reluctant to promote my work, I don't want too much attention.

I actually briefly worked a job doing social media marketing where it was my job to create attention grabbing content. I had some moderate success there, but the more I succeeded the more I was overwhelmed, I really did not enjoy having to deal with so many messages every day and gave up the work very quickly. Part of me liked the attention, but a bigger part didn't want it.

tl;dr: I am an introvert, sounds like you are too, maybe some successful introverts can share their advice with us.

[Lurkars]

From my understanding, I won't say about myself that I am an introvert. Like I don't feel uncomfortable on a stage or talking to people. It's more like I just don't have a need to stay in focus or like getting much attention. That's maybe part of the problem too. Like someone else mentioned, you cannot seperate completely the attention of my project from my person, but I would like to. So it's not directly that I am uncomfortable with attention. But first of all I think one have to deserve it. It's often the problem, like the loudest get more attention, besides they shouldn't get it. Difficult to say all, most comments pointed more the problem out: I am really in between, like to want attention and on the other side not.