[someluccc]

To me the best argument for UBI is that it would obliterate a bunch of economic disincentives that are dragging down on societal progress.

To be clear I’m working from two assumptions: 1) I have no issue with people being completely dependent on government support. 2) I have no issue nor do I partake in our glorification of work for work’s sake.

Having said that, the most important economic aberration UBI would do away with is the need for government and most public policy in general being run as de-facto job programs for the otherwise unemployable. If UBI were a reality there would be no rationale for bloated agencies, over-staffed infrastructure projects, tax schemes for factories, you name it. In that world, we could potentially turbocharge governance, as well as governmental and policy efficiency and efficacy.

A secondary, yet also important benefit of UBI is that it would unleash a ton of capable people who are otherwise bound to jobs or arrangements far below their capacity, for the simple fact that the fear of starvation or homelessness is too great. Think of all the human potential we could release if capable people felt safe enough to get an education or start a business.

Ultimately a bunch of people would just rely on UBI from birth to death. I don’t think that is a bad outcome. We live in a society advanced enough to be horrified by just letting people die/starve. However we struggle with the idea of some people just doing nothing when in fact the best possible outcome is for them to do just that. Some people are just not capable enough to do stuff at the level required in an advanced society, and saddling some institutions with employing them for charity does more harm than good.

[Vaslo]

> Ultimately a bunch of people would just rely on UBI from birth to death. I don’t think that is a bad outcome. We live in a society advanced enough to be horrified by just letting people die/starve.

Or they could just work and do all those things that only interest them but can't earn money in their free time like everyone else?

[imtringued]

But there are already people who earn money in their free time like land owners and people must work and give up some of their income so that the landowner gets paid for something that was already there and whose biggest benefits are provided by the community surrounding the land.

The free loaders that you seem to criticize already exist and nobody seems to have the desire to stop them.

Honestly I am so pissed off by people like you. If it was as easy as just working then we wouldn't have any problems whatsoever in our economies. The fact that there is structural unemployment due to how money works and that full employment reveals that there are rent seeking entities in the form of accelerating inflation should already tell you that the current system isn't working.