[rideg]

The Netherlands backpedaled after a couple of very serious incidents regarding many psychedelics. Public suicide, animal sacrifice, crime etc. I don’t see how it will be different in SF.

[ch4s3]

This is ridiculous. A single French teenager(17yo) jumped off the Nemo Building[1], which lead to mushrooms being banned. There are several problems here. This building has a low railing around the tall publicly accessible portion, and no real safety features to prevent jumping. Teens this age are notorious for impulsively jumping from these types of structures, it's why The Vessel in Hudson Yards in NYC was closed. There's no real reason to suspect the mushrooms caused the incident given the previous two factors.

As for the animal sacrifices, I couldn't find a single news article from 2000-2007 referencing this. I also couldn't find any good crime numbers.

The whole illegalization push in 2007 from available news sources was tied to this one suicide and damage to French-Dutch relations.

[1]https://www.google.com/search?q=nemo+building+amsterdam&rlz=...

[borski]

Having stayed on a crane in Amsterdam (Faralda crane hotel) which was absolutely thrilling and simultaneously insane, I can vouch for the fact that 'safety standards' in Dutch buildings are far lower than those in the US. I actually found it refreshing, to be honest, from the railings and gates I'm used to in the US, but there was nothing that was going to stop me from even accidentally taking a dive off the crane. The upshot of that is a rooftop crane hot tub, though, so I mean...

[FredrikMeyer]

So silly, considering all the noise and accidents alcohol directly causes. But then a single bad case after someone taking psychedelics, and they reverse.

[subsubzero]

Its not silly, for some psychedelics are fine and they can handle them ok. But others have psychotic breaks that are irreversible. I feel like SF is already a city that is very dysfunctional with crazies screaming at nothing, why make a really bad situation worse?

[nathanaldensr]

Textbook whataboutism--and I hate that phrase.

Yes, and both substances should be controlled. Uncontrolled hard drugs are harmful to society, but it seems like the ignorant, naive youth of today are going to have to learn some hard lessons on the topic from first principles.

[rr888]

> Public suicide, animal sacrifice, crime etc.

That's just normal in SF streets already lol.

[jobs_throwaway]

No different than reefer madness. People do all that shit without psychedelics

[pageandrew]

Psychedelics still can’t legally be sold in SF. What good is criminalizing simple possession?

Besides, for every animal sacrifice on LSD there are 100 (probably more) drunk drivers crashing into trees, parked cars, oncoming traffic, and pedestrians, and alcohol is totally legal and widely used.

[autoexec]

> Besides, for every animal sacrifice on LSD there are 100 (probably more) drunk drivers crashing into trees, parked cars, oncoming traffic, and pedestrians, and alcohol is totally legal and widely used.

That seems to ignore the fact that there are far more people drinking than tripping. I'm not saying that with an equal numbers of users the math wouldn't still make drinking more dangerous, I really don't know, but it's an unfair comparison.

[NullPrefix]

Unsure if by "parked cars" you've meant crashing into parked cars or parked cars by themselves being a bad thing

[Nifty3929]

I'd love to read a bit more about this. Do you have any interesting reading on how psychedelics were legalized or decriminalized in the Netherlands and the resulting affects on society? I'll Google it, but maybe you would know better :-)

[codyb]

Lol, these stories are like bringing up some horrific accident every time someone talks about cars.

Things happen, that's life, but it's really important to put things into proportion at some point.

[BoorishBears]

You can already get hard drugs in the open here, the serious incidents would already be happening