Yikes. Other users have pointed out a bunch of things already but I need to add that this sort of name-calling and personal attack* is against the rules and spirit of this site, and is the sort of thing we ban accounts for. Regardless of how right you are or feel you are, please don't do it again.
PDAP is not crypto based, and there are no plans to make it so. The message you pasted here was about a meeting taken last year with someone who was proposing this. It isn't something the community or leadership was interested in. PDAP is a non-profit, not a crypto startup.
The post you quoted lists potential avenues for using web3 tools. You may notice we have not gone down any of those avenues. We aren't doing crypto stuff.
We did indeed spend some time looking into web3 and peer-to-peer, and ultimately decided it's not for us. Most of the energy there is spent trying to make money / scam people. Peer-to-peer is cool too but has its own risks.
It's one thing if you want to have a crypto wallet to accept donations -- that's not that controversial. It's another to drink the web3 kool-aid and base your organization's future on that.
could you elaborate exactly where the filth is here? I think I get it, but I'm not super-well versed enough to understand what the motive would be here.
It certainly set off my alarm bells for people who try to do pointless blockchain stuff for personal profit (or I guess fun and street-cred/CV-lines).
That doesn't mean it has to be the case here. But at first glance a DOA seems more like a detriment here (police can outspend citizens) and NFTs are NFTs, no explanation needed I suspect. Suggestion 3 might have merit, but storing the data in the blockchain (instead of just some hashes for timestamping) makes it look like some overambitious vanity project again.
Edit: Seems like this criticism doesn't apply to this project. I think that's good. What I wrote below is just an explanation of why someone might view crypto as a red flag in a charity project.
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I think the basic idea is that this web3 crypto stuff is pretty scammy. It would be like finding out the not-for-profit you were thinking about working with also sells timeshares - maybe it is, against all odds, legit, but still not a good look and kind of a red flag.
Another take on it is - if I want to volunteer at a place I don't expect to get paid. If I'm working for payment, I don't want my payment to be in NFTs. So, the web3 intrusion into this idea is unnecessary and doesn't fit for either volunteers or employees.
Floating the idea of having a DAO governance system =/= "crypto grift." It's a legitimate way of trying to ensure that control of a distributed system remains distributed. It doesn't even sound like they've pursued the idea. You can, in theory, have a non-profit DAO.
Recently there has been an unreasonable amount of hostility towards anything that even mentions crypto or any related technology. I wonder what the source of it is.
Could you please avoid flamewar comments on HN and, also, please make sure you aren't using this site primarily for political or ideological battle? That's one line at which we ban accounts (https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...). Regardless of what they're battling for or against, it's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.
I think if a project like ours ever did use blockchain, it would be behind the scenes as a part of the product; decentralization and transparency are key parts of our ethos! However, it's too unstable and as you can see by the comments, mentioning "web3" costs a lot of credibility in many, or maybe most, communities online.
https://knish.io/ is a good example of people using blockchain to make real products. I don't know that it's ready though.
dang|3 years ago
If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting to HN, we'd appreciate it.
* especially against a new user—greeting newcomers with a torrent of abuse is really bad
unknown|3 years ago
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kristintynski|3 years ago
josh-pdap|3 years ago
We did indeed spend some time looking into web3 and peer-to-peer, and ultimately decided it's not for us. Most of the energy there is spent trying to make money / scam people. Peer-to-peer is cool too but has its own risks.
Thanks for checking out the discord, though!
bb88|3 years ago
It's one thing if you want to have a crypto wallet to accept donations -- that's not that controversial. It's another to drink the web3 kool-aid and base your organization's future on that.
yuan43|3 years ago
ben174|3 years ago
wongarsu|3 years ago
That doesn't mean it has to be the case here. But at first glance a DOA seems more like a detriment here (police can outspend citizens) and NFTs are NFTs, no explanation needed I suspect. Suggestion 3 might have merit, but storing the data in the blockchain (instead of just some hashes for timestamping) makes it look like some overambitious vanity project again.
ALittleLight|3 years ago
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I think the basic idea is that this web3 crypto stuff is pretty scammy. It would be like finding out the not-for-profit you were thinking about working with also sells timeshares - maybe it is, against all odds, legit, but still not a good look and kind of a red flag.
Another take on it is - if I want to volunteer at a place I don't expect to get paid. If I'm working for payment, I don't want my payment to be in NFTs. So, the web3 intrusion into this idea is unnecessary and doesn't fit for either volunteers or employees.
coding123|3 years ago
On your keybase.io page you list a BTC donation address.
joshenders|3 years ago
jovial_cavalier|3 years ago
Recently there has been an unreasonable amount of hostility towards anything that even mentions crypto or any related technology. I wonder what the source of it is.
coding123|3 years ago
socialismisok|3 years ago
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dang|3 years ago
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
ooouups|3 years ago
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josh-pdap|3 years ago
https://knish.io/ is a good example of people using blockchain to make real products. I don't know that it's ready though.
multjoy|3 years ago
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