So full mobilization is coming. This insanity is about to reach another level. I bet these guys will be sent to front lines without proper winter equipment (because it was stolen by corrupt officials). The autumn will come and they will freeze in some woods fighting for nothing to death. As a dad I would do everything to keep my kids alive.
Technically, may be not yet. I work with a developer from Ukraine whose parents are not that old. His father cannot come visit him because he is not 60 yet. But he hasn't been drafted either.
In all fairness, the Russian people had
* a chance to stop the KGB in 2000, possibly in 2004
* at least fifteen years to get another passport in a great environment before 2014
* an opportunity to oppose the war in 2014 when that didn't mean getting fired and likely jailed
* another 5 years under more challenging but still workable circumstances to run away
* half of 2022 for really desperate actions
At this point those still in the country have nobody else to blame for their situation unfortunately.
The scale of the tragedy for the Eastern Slavs is reaching truly historical proportions. The 21st century was not supposed to be like that and I don't really want to know what's next.
As a dad that is the responsible thing to do. To make matters worse, the new recruits will get mediocre training compared to their Ukrainian counterpart.
Russian has been having logistic problems to supply their troop of 200K men. I was wondering how they could supply a fully mobilized troop. 200K at a time?
(As the father of a teenage boy, this is the first thing that popped into my head) Any family with the ability to send their teenage boys abroad to live with extended family/friends is going to do so, ASAP. Russia's already terrible demographics are going to get worse. A lot worse.
How long before they start selling territory to China?
Really scary to imagine what that must be like. My heart goes out to those Russian citizens.
EDIT: In case it's not obvious, I'm referring to people who do not support invading another country and murdering innocent people, but are being drafted to do so anyways.
“Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.”
Please don’t get triggered by OP. He/she obviously means the ones that don’t support the war, have 0 influence about what the government does, and will be forced to go and die in a foreign country.
Having empathy for the Russians citizens that are going to die fighting a war they don’t support is not mutually exclusive to having sympathy for the Ukrainians.
It could go to the end only by two things:
* With lots of corpses from one side. Bodies have penetrated with ATACMS Missile
* 21th Gorbachyov (less probability, those who in charge are scarred as hell)
No other options. The mental settings about society in Russia
Yeah, that's why I'm not really crying for the Russian citizen right now. They had a full half year to risk jail by protesting the war, when it was "just" their country invading and murdering other people. They did it for a few weeks, then went back to their Stormbucks and McDelicious.
Or even more cynically, if you are old and rich and run a country and theres lots of young, poor men wondering why they aren't rich then maybe sending them off to die in a pointless war has some upside for the ones who can escape service via their connections.
There was a Youtuber in ~March asking young russians in front of university (or maybe it was red square?) about support for war and russian soldiers, followed by whipping out a notebook and asking for the same in writing as he was making list of patriots. Every single person swiftly ran away. Sadly I cant find the link now.
This is why those visa restrictions for russian citizens are counterproductive. We should rather send charter flights to Russia to pick people up who are willing to leave the country (also the ukraine war is particularly unpopular among educated russians).
Looks like fake to me. No sources. The title says 'ordered', by article itself about 'sold out'. The sold out part is actually true and was reported by multiple sources.
I don't understand why Europe stopped all flights to and from Russia. I think they should have kept the border open for non-rich people seeking to leave the country.
Also, hoping that everyone who did get out (who presumably isn't that keen on murdering Ukrainians) is busy sending help to Ukraine and dedicated a significant percentage of their salary to that effect.
> We haven't blocked the domains, we are asking people to move. There are plenty of other choices out there when it comes to infrastructure services so this isn't "deplatforming". I sympathize with people that are not pro regime but ultimately even those tax dollars they may generate go to the regime. We have people on the ground in Ukraine being bombarded now non stop. I cannot with good conscience continue to support the Russian regime in any way, shape or form. People that are getting angry need to point that at the cause, their own government. If more grace time is necessary for some to move, we will provide it. Free speech is one thing but this decision is more about a government that is committing war crimes against innocent people that we want nothing to do with.
Yeah I'll take all your downvotes. My family got out and I don't appreciate companies calling me a monster by accident of my birth on the wrong side of an arbitrary historical border.
It is fake news. There’re no restrictions to buy any tickets or cross borders in Russia. However, this measure is active in Ukraine.
The Russian government keeps their borders open so dissidents can freely leave if they want. They don’t bottle them up within the country as the USSR did.
This particular article is most likely fake news based on rumors from "journalist Amir Tsarfati" because if they were to cut it off they would definitely do it at the passport control, not "Russian airlines sales". There are tons of non-Russian airlines flying out of the country, including half a dozen Turkish ones, Emirates, etc. They already flag people dodging debt and child support at passport control, they would do the same for the draft dodgers, but so far there have been no reports of that happening.
If this is true, I hope it is only posturing for international audiences, and not that they will be calling up more people to fight.
I hope Russian leadership is already seeking an exit in which they can restore productive international relations, not intending to go out in a blaze of personal infamy.
And I hope everyone else outside of there wants to see relations restored, not to cripple them, at tremendous human cost.
UPDATE The head of Russia’s tourism agency said no restrictions have been imposed on travelling abroad so far and that Aeroflot, the country’s flag-carrying airline, said it was not limiting ticket sales.
Also the OG source - guy in Israel who tries to sell his fiction books. Always check the source.
They're already at sending reservists, who get around 3 days of training. Their front-line tank crews get exactly one practice shell per crew member, each year. Putin is going to run through all their reservists, and then start sending every Russian man who can physically hold a gun into the meat grinder. It only ends when someone in his government finally takes him out, or Ukrainians march on Moscow itself. How many Putin allies can fall down stairs or have strange accidents in 2 months time?
Russia has used this tactic before with success. They used to send wave upon wave towards the Germans. Your choice was get shot by Russians or maybe get shot by Germans. Turns people choose to try and kill the Germans first.
From an AP version of the story someone linked bellow:
Tickets for the Moscow-Belgrade flights operated by Air Serbia, the only European carrier besides Turkish Airlines to maintain flights to Russia despite a European Union flight embargo, sold out for the next several days. The price for flights from Moscow to Istanbul or Dubai increased within minutes before jumping again, reaching as high as 9,200 euros ($9,119) for a one-way economy class fare.
Lots of Middle Eastern airlines. Qatar Air, Emirates, Air Arabia, Azerbaijan Airlines, all have flights out of Moscow that are still bookable according to ITA.
The important thing is that foreign airlines can fly only between Russia and their country of origin. So some AirFrance can't be making flights to Turkey, for example.
It doesn’t work at all because, well, the borders are open yet and no one in Russia ordered to prohibit selling tickets to men. This is misinformation.
If Russia is going to have radically less resources, this is one way to reduce the demands of the population?
How do they simultaneously argue how awesome they are doing at war and then a draft?
There's no way anyone is convincing me nuclear isn't happening if things go even worse and maybe not even locally, he's got nothing to lose at this point, there's literally nothing the world can do about it because they aren't starting WW3
[+] [-] lnsru|3 years ago|reply
[+] [-] 62951413|3 years ago|reply
In all fairness, the Russian people had
* a chance to stop the KGB in 2000, possibly in 2004
* at least fifteen years to get another passport in a great environment before 2014
* an opportunity to oppose the war in 2014 when that didn't mean getting fired and likely jailed
* another 5 years under more challenging but still workable circumstances to run away
* half of 2022 for really desperate actions
At this point those still in the country have nobody else to blame for their situation unfortunately.
The scale of the tragedy for the Eastern Slavs is reaching truly historical proportions. The 21st century was not supposed to be like that and I don't really want to know what's next.
[+] [-] sharken|3 years ago|reply
Relevant articles: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/07/20/russia-sends-army-...
https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1572571676524838915?...
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[+] [-] Kon-Peki|3 years ago|reply
How long before they start selling territory to China?
[+] [-] spicyusername|3 years ago|reply
EDIT: In case it's not obvious, I'm referring to people who do not support invading another country and murdering innocent people, but are being drafted to do so anyways.
[+] [-] noncoml|3 years ago|reply
Please don’t get triggered by OP. He/she obviously means the ones that don’t support the war, have 0 influence about what the government does, and will be forced to go and die in a foreign country.
Having empathy for the Russians citizens that are going to die fighting a war they don’t support is not mutually exclusive to having sympathy for the Ukrainians.
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[+] [-] jacke|3 years ago|reply
No other options. The mental settings about society in Russia
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[+] [-] awb|3 years ago|reply
Like how many supporters of military action are fine with sending other people to war, but would change their mind if it meant them having to go.
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https://www.aeroflot.ru/ru-ru/news/62478
[+] [-] ikonst|3 years ago|reply
not unthinkable such things will follow, but so far might be fake news
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Europe is not a safety net for Russian lack of democracy and common sense.
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30505495
> We haven't blocked the domains, we are asking people to move. There are plenty of other choices out there when it comes to infrastructure services so this isn't "deplatforming". I sympathize with people that are not pro regime but ultimately even those tax dollars they may generate go to the regime. We have people on the ground in Ukraine being bombarded now non stop. I cannot with good conscience continue to support the Russian regime in any way, shape or form. People that are getting angry need to point that at the cause, their own government. If more grace time is necessary for some to move, we will provide it. Free speech is one thing but this decision is more about a government that is committing war crimes against innocent people that we want nothing to do with.
Yeah I'll take all your downvotes. My family got out and I don't appreciate companies calling me a monster by accident of my birth on the wrong side of an arbitrary historical border.
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[+] [-] Juunine|3 years ago|reply
The Russian government keeps their borders open so dissidents can freely leave if they want. They don’t bottle them up within the country as the USSR did.
[+] [-] Animats|3 years ago|reply
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rEbvNslOSQ
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[+] [-] neilv|3 years ago|reply
I hope Russian leadership is already seeking an exit in which they can restore productive international relations, not intending to go out in a blaze of personal infamy.
And I hope everyone else outside of there wants to see relations restored, not to cripple them, at tremendous human cost.
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[+] [-] Markoff|3 years ago|reply
Also the OG source - guy in Israel who tries to sell his fiction books. Always check the source.
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[+] [-] that_guy_iain|3 years ago|reply
Russia has used this tactic before with success. They used to send wave upon wave towards the Germans. Your choice was get shot by Russians or maybe get shot by Germans. Turns people choose to try and kill the Germans first.
[+] [-] listic|3 years ago|reply
Don't know how this thing works.
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[+] [-] ck2|3 years ago|reply
How do they simultaneously argue how awesome they are doing at war and then a draft?
There's no way anyone is convincing me nuclear isn't happening if things go even worse and maybe not even locally, he's got nothing to lose at this point, there's literally nothing the world can do about it because they aren't starting WW3
[+] [-] apexalpha|3 years ago|reply
Could be Ukranian propaganda to stir up Russian society, who knows.