> We also know that the vast majority of people who work in the "industry" are either coerced by others or forced into it by life circumstances.
Most people are forced into work by life circumstances. That's how society operates: work or starve.
Sex trafficking is a genuine issue, but it's not at all the majority of the industry. I don't see what makes consensual sex work uniquely coercive or evil when compared to other physically or emotionally intensive labor.
And civilized society routinely sets a floor for that “work or starve” dynamic, ensuring that there isn’t a race to the bottom and desperate people aren’t forced to take certain kinds of jobs. That’s because we understand that the legality of certain kinds of jobs creates social pressure on people in tough circumstances to do those jobs.
Such regulation inherently requires society to make decisions about what sort of work should be off limits to reduce social pressure to do those jobs. You might not agree that sex work falls in that category, but women themselves decisively do: https://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11203740/prostitution-legal-me...
And as to your own view, do you think unemployment offices should tell women to look for jobs in sex work before they can get unemployment benefits? After all it’s just another job right?
I would think the moral calculus is different when the non-consensual activity is sex vs. eg. cutting timber or cooking fast food. A single rape is a lot more traumatizing then a decade of physical labor. I don't know anything about how common involuntary sex work is, so I won't argue a broader point; I just think the equivalency doesn't hold up.
I would argue that being contracted to kill other people other people is very different from other jobs. But we still provide them with insurance, healthcare, acceptance, etc, why not sex work?
I think this is such a progressive view because many religious and some secular people still uphold the belief in the sanctity of marriage. To them sex never stopped being the most intimate and precious thing to share with a spouse and no one else. Add the fact that the rebranding of prostitution into sex work is still a very recent thing plus some things falling under the umbrella of sex work being very illegal in many places means that outside of twitter and extremely progressive spaces like universities no one wants to associate with someone that has turned the most socially taboo act possible into a business.
That said, it's important to remember that "sex work" includes prostitution, but is not limited to prostitution. It's a broader umbrella term for porn, stripping, camming, etc.
You're absolutely right. Some people think sex should be limited to married couples, and some of those people also think they're within their rights to force other people to adhere to their moral code. They are wrong. What other consenting adults do with each other is not the province of anyone's morality but their own.
Something can be both "simply a job" and different than most jobs. The argument is that sex work isn't inherently immoral, so deserves to be supported by our financial infrastructure. It's "simply a job" in the sense that it deserves legitimacy, not that it's exactly like most other jobs.
Institutional support instead of prosecution also comes with the benefit of at least partially undermining the black market of the work, and the additional crimes that are frequently associated with sex work.
Most people in the industry, at least in the West, are not coerced or forced, they simply do it because they can make an order of magnitude more money than they can make waiting tables.
> I would argue that renting out your body in the most intimate way is very different from most jobs.
When would you do this? I do not see this argument.
> We also know that the vast majority of people who work in the "industry" are either coerced by others or forced into it by life circumstances.
We also know this about 95% of employed people, and 100% of those who don't have savings adequate for retirement or sponsors. You don't work, you don't eat.
> Internet porn makes this even worse, since even if they decide to stop, their material will stay online forever.
It would be irrelevant if the material were online forever if large minorities didn't feel it was their duty to punish people indefinitely for ever having done this job.
I think the progressive label comes from two angles: there’s a lot of history of religious moralizing and policing around this which these days identifies strongly with conservatism (note especially how that often shifts blame from the patrons to the workers), and that starts with the idea that there’s something uniquely degrading about this in way that there isn’t about, say, physical work which might leave you damaged for life or jobs which are basically lying or harassing strangers. It might be interesting to think about exactly why you think that’s worse than, say, working in a meat processing plant with a high rate of injury or being a collections agent for a hospital.
The second is having empathy for the worker, a key progressive position. That says, for example, that if you do think that there’s something truly degrading about the work the answer is to have economic and social policies which reduce the number of desperate people without good alternatives, or to have better regulation of the middlemen profiting from the situation, etc. rather than traditional approaches focused on punishing workers.
I know more than a few people who engaged in sex work simply because they’d rather do that for 1 hour rather than make the same money working an entire week at Starbucks, for example. You would be shocked at the kinds of people doing it. Nobody was coerced. If you’re worried about coercion, providing legal protection to sex workers will help eliminate stigma and drive underground operators out of business.
> I would argue that renting out your body in the most intimate way is very different from most jobs.
A coal worker or someone working a similaily harsh job is also renting out their body in ways that might ultimatly proof to be far more destructive to their lives. Whether someone can perform a sexual act for money or not is on a base level purely a question of personal preference. Just like some people enjoy acting or being on stage and others don't. The question is if you are forced into doing it or under which conditions you have to do your work. For sex workers it is pretty clear that their working conditions are coupled to how accepting society is of that job. If it is basically criminalized, you will have criminals run the business hidden from society. If you have it accepted and strictly regulated, there might still be criminals, but the individual sex workers have a greater agency in how, when, with whom they work.
Puritan religious ideas in that context are powerful if you believe in them, but meaningless if you don't. Sexuality comes in many forms and not everybody feels a strong connection between sexuality and love (which is e.g. why many sex workers would rather have sex with someone than kissing them).
I recall some studies showing even just folks at strip clubs enduring a lot of emotional pain and etc. Is it the job, is it the folks who take those jobs? I don't know but I'm skeptical about "It's simply a job." kind of blanket deceleration.
Human sexuality is hardly like typing on a keyboard or etc... I don't buy into just declaring it like any other job. Granted I don't care to stigmatize those folks either, but that statement seems somewhat dangerous / off the mark.
Well there are many jobs, not all of which are comfortable keyboard jobs.
If you work with the elderly, especially in dementia care, included in your job description is mopping up piss and shit. You'll also receive all manner of verbal and physical abuse.
This can be a consistent position if you can do two things: 1. Propose what to replace sex work with for those engaging in it voluntarily or as a way to make ends meet (i.e. the same duress that we accept as normal in capitalism) and 2. draw a distinction between "sex work" renting out your body and a bunch of other jobs that share characteristics:
- actors (non-porn, but sex scenes, full or partial nudity, kissing etc)
- gastronomy (hooters as an extreme example, hostesses at conferences/buffets less so, the emotional and physical expectations placed on normal waitresses)
- modeling
- construction, truck driving, health care and other "will wreck your body and possibly mental health" professions
- butchers, executioners, soldiers and other jobs which are "voluntarily" doing things which in current norms are not acceptable to do in public or regularly
I'm personally not convinced we should target sex work per se if we want to save people being forced into it by circumstances or people, but we should target the circumstances or people that cause the duress. If people still want to do sex work then, hey, it's a free country.
Legitimizing the industry helps make cases of coercion more obvious, as people gain more legitimate means to report things without self-incrimination.
Physical laborers rent out their bodies in a way that often causes permanent damage. It's literally degrading their bodies. Some construction workers live with chronic pain for their entire lives.
There's a psychological component as well, which is more vulnerable in sex work, but there are no shortage of people who also end up with psychological damage from their jobs outside of sex work either. Another commenter pointed out military work — being ordered to kill results in absurd levels of trauma, but it's a completely legitimate career path in the eyes of most societies. Why is that?
I find it fairly hard to distinguish sex work from other work. There's a different balance of upsides and downsides, but you can find similar impacts in other legitimized lines of work.
> but there are no shortage of people who also end up with psychological damage from their jobs outside of sex work
Not to labour the point but: cf Soldiers.
Men can take the emotional and physical toll but women can't?
edit: just to expand on this, talk to people who have been on military tours about the horrors of draging dead bodies (that they might have killed) from the road side, the pain of loosing friends, being away from your family etc.
So with military work, it's not about being required to kill as much as getting it that the killing needs doing. An overpowered army like the Americans conquering Iraq will induce trauma, but if you're outnumbered and alone, and you win? In my case unarmed. Five times, Thursday was my first 4-on-1, not a scratch. They threw a rock at me, 505 grams (I just weighed it), it hit a lamppost. Holy shit, screamed at the stoner QUE CHUCHA PERRA!! FUCK YOU, which is what you're supposed to say in the circumstances, being ganged up on and all, but standing your ground. It's my turf. I told them never to come back, the rapist said he'd come back any time he wanted, no respect. That's what he said! I told him there'd be consequences! I was within my right, not the initiator by any means, I've been a Roman Law hero for ten years by this point, that's gotta add up to something!
So things are getting crazy violent. A little too violent. More than would be entertaining for a neighborhood, too much. American Embassy in Santiago said I should pack my shit and go back stateside. But you know what? Where? Stanford has worse rape extortion. California...Canada same, all about the straight white male Christian, like...no I'd rather be a totally hated minority where I can actually claim to be a minority and defend myself (and the rest of the minority obviously, I'm the only gringo who could have realistically retaliated for that sodomistic screaming catcall, nobody else literally nobody), but all the same...the fetish for lynchings is even worse in California. The rape extortion is the motor of the Californian economy, or should I say, the Fornicalian economy? Fornicalia. Women open up to me about rape extortion in California all the damn time, just the rent is insane pervy rapey landlords taking all wages (and frequently colluding with employers hearing about you getting a raise before you do). One woman was working in a Hispanic Supermarket, just said the rent is disgusting, while knowing full well (exact) what she made. Literally rape extortion. Her landlord, like most Californian landlords, was a rape extortionist because she feared and he know and now I know and I vouch the first thing that happens upon eviction is rape. Landlords threaten with rape. That's how they make money for nothing. Like yeah bring in a handiman every now or never, nah. Another one, this is damning, I was in a psych ward (as I frequently am), and one of the staff opened up about the rape extortion. Didn't actually say rape! But complained, it's all so competitive, rent is so disgusting, meaning she never profited from her work, and she was telling an inmate in the asylum! Because at the end of the day, they see me and know I'm not a bullshit guy who wants to barge through the door without saying hello, fuck as infectiously as he think he can get away with, and jump out the window without saying goodbye. A good man, a man who wants to be a husband and a father, a Christian, the absolute only true monster.
Really beautiful women trust me, I kind of hate that trust but oh well. Particularly when they tell me they've been raped, I hate that! That burns all bridges forever, because that means a greater than 1 in a million chance of accusing me of rape! And frankly having heard enough by this point, all beautiful people get raped. All of them. It's inescapable, they're targeted the most. The bitchvictim media sabotages their defenses because it wants them to get raped. Stanford feminists argue not, say it's about power, but they're chock-full of dogshit, it is partly about power but it is mostly about genetic reproduction. Get real. My accusers are so gross, I turn my phone off around them because I wouldn't touch them with a photon! Just gross, Ariel and Ashley, nothing so gross as betrayal, not glamorous at all, each synonymous with ten thousand instances of rape dungeon punishment. Dude can't go to Stanford reunion to talk to my witnesses because my accusers are very empowered and lying in wait under a bridge. When I returned to Stanford years later all I could think about was switching classes to something with no women, two female professors was terrifying because of the disgusting gullibility of the deans thirsting for a pretext to extort me with sodomy. Neither of them stood upright the whole meeting when they accused me of rape, because they couldn't they both had erections and both had eyes glazed. Witnessed the meeting of the minds, I arrived last to a meeting meant for me alone with the dean, and there were three other people there, you think they spoke before I arrived? What a complete gang-rape. Perfect crime because they knew if they accused me of rape at maximum speed with all the most disgusting ejaculations implying my guilt, off a script, and didn't let me open my mouth at all until the double bind where I was expected (being under coercion after all, sodomy extortion already being declared) to confess. Yeah never figure that one out.
But with this screaming sodomist, this Thursday, no post-traumatic stress disorder. More rather, losing my shit, as many on this forum said I was, but wasn't at the time, got it vetted by my doctor mind you, now it's like...am I living in a society that only wants to rape and murder me? It all started when a flamboy with 5 inch platforms screamed at me "gringo culiao" meaning calling me cooperative with being raped, ie by him, it was rape extortion, dude...without me saying anything to him, just walked down the street, being white, being tall, being straight, being a stranger to homosexual sex, and THE WORSE OF ALL having a fully straight backbone, from winning 33 conflicts before then. How am I supposed to hunch after 33-0? It's an animal status thing, dogs raise their tail, men raise their backs. Very visible when I'm also 6'2" (188 cm) (but for real, not like men who tell women they're 2 or sometimes up to 4 inches taller than they actually are, in person at least, on a dating app who gives a shit 6 inches taller). Specifically determined my height at the doctor's office because I kept getting asked what it was at castings, and while I could say it was 190 cm and they bought it, I said 189 cm (didn't round up), my best estimate, until a checkup where I asked for it exact. 188 cm is very tall, I don't know, only seen one woman taller than that in my life. So all that, and I guess people read my having been a straight model, and in some cases (teenage women especially can tell, I hate this about them) that I'm a hero (strictly according to Roman Law, got called a hero meeting all the criteria), then that's when I get targeted. It's a combination of their being 4 of them and 1 of me, the impunity, the feeling of power that I can be accused of being a violent homophobe for retaliating against a homosexual with 5 inch platforms screaming rape extortion at me, and of course his 5 inch platforms guy was like 5'5" without them, they uplifted him. They made him feel big, and it was the first time I encountered a flamboy dressed as a goth with such high shoes, hard to compensate in my mind, it was like he was 5'10". Besides being sexual display, ordinarily of being a homosexual, but in the context, of being proposing sodomy. Specifically had to do with my being white. So "gringo culiao" refers to my whiteness, like he wanted to stain me with his superior sodomist genetics...like what is he then going to buy my children, with his DNA, a gift for their first birthday? Will he go to their baseball game? Put food on the table? Give that daughter a generous allowance so she can buy outfits freely, which I heard one beautiful girl say once, and made me want to someday be the father who could come up with the money for that. Alimony? Pay for the wedding? Go to prison if he's behind on child support? Because he's screaming that he's straight, everybody's straight, he wants to have babies alright, he just doesn't want paternity himself, he wants to spread his genes through me. Wants to infect me with thousands of sexually transmitted infections, which in addition carry his human genome as a reward for spreading them, that's the endgame. I've been getting these threats for decades, and I'm just fed up with this shit, they always get mulligans and it's sodomy extortion, it's just wrong. And I'm realistically the only gringo who could retaliate for that, no other American could go back and give him a chance to back down on the sodomy threat. And follow through when he arrogantly upheld his threat of sodomy.
> We also know that the vast majority of people who work in the "industry" are either coerced by others or forced into it by life circumstances.
Well, the latter part is valid for almost every "bottom of the ladder" style precarious job. Be it agriculture, meatpacking, construction, flipping burgers, hauling trash, handing out Amazon parcels or sex work - all of these don't require much education or training, they're fairly risky (in terms of danger of accidents or other harm) and there's an abundance of potential workers which means the wages are very low.
> Internet porn makes this even worse, since even if they decide to stop, their material will stay online forever.
The irony is, there are so many people shaming anything sexual from erotic art over r/gonewild nudes to full-service sex work, but almost everyone of the shamers is jacking off to porn regularly.
In a decent society without religious bullcrap, there would be no stigma attached and that's it - and we're thankfully heading that way, given that "having an onlyfans" is basically the norm for young women these days employers simply can't afford to shame women for enjoying sex as they won't find staff otherwise.
NoraCodes|3 years ago
Most people are forced into work by life circumstances. That's how society operates: work or starve.
Sex trafficking is a genuine issue, but it's not at all the majority of the industry. I don't see what makes consensual sex work uniquely coercive or evil when compared to other physically or emotionally intensive labor.
rayiner|3 years ago
Such regulation inherently requires society to make decisions about what sort of work should be off limits to reduce social pressure to do those jobs. You might not agree that sex work falls in that category, but women themselves decisively do: https://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11203740/prostitution-legal-me...
And as to your own view, do you think unemployment offices should tell women to look for jobs in sex work before they can get unemployment benefits? After all it’s just another job right?
Stupulous|3 years ago
zajio1am|3 years ago
It is more like how biology operates.
BurningFrog|3 years ago
We don't know that. We are told that, without evidence, a lot.
And of course, technically, most of us are forced to work by life circumstances.
nucleogenesis|3 years ago
This is the point - sex work is a job just like any other and deserves at least the same protections as any other job.
j_m_b|3 years ago
Citation needed. Porn stars are coerced into it? Are cam models forced into it? The fact that the oldest profession is illegal leads to exploitation.
"You think I sell my body, I merely sell my time" -NOFX
potatototoo99|3 years ago
lkslkdjfsl|3 years ago
I would argue that being contracted to kill other people other people is very different from other jobs. But we still provide them with insurance, healthcare, acceptance, etc, why not sex work?
dani_german|3 years ago
socialismisok|3 years ago
NoraCodes|3 years ago
nend|3 years ago
Institutional support instead of prosecution also comes with the benefit of at least partially undermining the black market of the work, and the additional crimes that are frequently associated with sex work.
erfgh|3 years ago
bhedgeoser|3 years ago
pessimizer|3 years ago
When would you do this? I do not see this argument.
> We also know that the vast majority of people who work in the "industry" are either coerced by others or forced into it by life circumstances.
We also know this about 95% of employed people, and 100% of those who don't have savings adequate for retirement or sponsors. You don't work, you don't eat.
> Internet porn makes this even worse, since even if they decide to stop, their material will stay online forever.
It would be irrelevant if the material were online forever if large minorities didn't feel it was their duty to punish people indefinitely for ever having done this job.
acdha|3 years ago
The second is having empathy for the worker, a key progressive position. That says, for example, that if you do think that there’s something truly degrading about the work the answer is to have economic and social policies which reduce the number of desperate people without good alternatives, or to have better regulation of the middlemen profiting from the situation, etc. rather than traditional approaches focused on punishing workers.
jliptzin|3 years ago
marginalia_nu|3 years ago
You seem to only imply these arguments. What are they, specifically?
atoav|3 years ago
A coal worker or someone working a similaily harsh job is also renting out their body in ways that might ultimatly proof to be far more destructive to their lives. Whether someone can perform a sexual act for money or not is on a base level purely a question of personal preference. Just like some people enjoy acting or being on stage and others don't. The question is if you are forced into doing it or under which conditions you have to do your work. For sex workers it is pretty clear that their working conditions are coupled to how accepting society is of that job. If it is basically criminalized, you will have criminals run the business hidden from society. If you have it accepted and strictly regulated, there might still be criminals, but the individual sex workers have a greater agency in how, when, with whom they work.
Puritan religious ideas in that context are powerful if you believe in them, but meaningless if you don't. Sexuality comes in many forms and not everybody feels a strong connection between sexuality and love (which is e.g. why many sex workers would rather have sex with someone than kissing them).
duxup|3 years ago
I recall some studies showing even just folks at strip clubs enduring a lot of emotional pain and etc. Is it the job, is it the folks who take those jobs? I don't know but I'm skeptical about "It's simply a job." kind of blanket deceleration.
Human sexuality is hardly like typing on a keyboard or etc... I don't buy into just declaring it like any other job. Granted I don't care to stigmatize those folks either, but that statement seems somewhat dangerous / off the mark.
marginalia_nu|3 years ago
If you work with the elderly, especially in dementia care, included in your job description is mopping up piss and shit. You'll also receive all manner of verbal and physical abuse.
It is absolutely degrading.
Kye|3 years ago
So it's retail work with better pay.
Workaccount2|3 years ago
socialismisok|3 years ago
igorkraw|3 years ago
- actors (non-porn, but sex scenes, full or partial nudity, kissing etc)
- gastronomy (hooters as an extreme example, hostesses at conferences/buffets less so, the emotional and physical expectations placed on normal waitresses)
- modeling
- construction, truck driving, health care and other "will wreck your body and possibly mental health" professions
- butchers, executioners, soldiers and other jobs which are "voluntarily" doing things which in current norms are not acceptable to do in public or regularly
I'm personally not convinced we should target sex work per se if we want to save people being forced into it by circumstances or people, but we should target the circumstances or people that cause the duress. If people still want to do sex work then, hey, it's a free country.
micromacrofoot|3 years ago
Physical laborers rent out their bodies in a way that often causes permanent damage. It's literally degrading their bodies. Some construction workers live with chronic pain for their entire lives.
There's a psychological component as well, which is more vulnerable in sex work, but there are no shortage of people who also end up with psychological damage from their jobs outside of sex work either. Another commenter pointed out military work — being ordered to kill results in absurd levels of trauma, but it's a completely legitimate career path in the eyes of most societies. Why is that?
I find it fairly hard to distinguish sex work from other work. There's a different balance of upsides and downsides, but you can find similar impacts in other legitimized lines of work.
lkslkdjfsl|3 years ago
Not to labour the point but: cf Soldiers.
Men can take the emotional and physical toll but women can't?
edit: just to expand on this, talk to people who have been on military tours about the horrors of draging dead bodies (that they might have killed) from the road side, the pain of loosing friends, being away from your family etc.
daniel-cussen|3 years ago
So with military work, it's not about being required to kill as much as getting it that the killing needs doing. An overpowered army like the Americans conquering Iraq will induce trauma, but if you're outnumbered and alone, and you win? In my case unarmed. Five times, Thursday was my first 4-on-1, not a scratch. They threw a rock at me, 505 grams (I just weighed it), it hit a lamppost. Holy shit, screamed at the stoner QUE CHUCHA PERRA!! FUCK YOU, which is what you're supposed to say in the circumstances, being ganged up on and all, but standing your ground. It's my turf. I told them never to come back, the rapist said he'd come back any time he wanted, no respect. That's what he said! I told him there'd be consequences! I was within my right, not the initiator by any means, I've been a Roman Law hero for ten years by this point, that's gotta add up to something!
So things are getting crazy violent. A little too violent. More than would be entertaining for a neighborhood, too much. American Embassy in Santiago said I should pack my shit and go back stateside. But you know what? Where? Stanford has worse rape extortion. California...Canada same, all about the straight white male Christian, like...no I'd rather be a totally hated minority where I can actually claim to be a minority and defend myself (and the rest of the minority obviously, I'm the only gringo who could have realistically retaliated for that sodomistic screaming catcall, nobody else literally nobody), but all the same...the fetish for lynchings is even worse in California. The rape extortion is the motor of the Californian economy, or should I say, the Fornicalian economy? Fornicalia. Women open up to me about rape extortion in California all the damn time, just the rent is insane pervy rapey landlords taking all wages (and frequently colluding with employers hearing about you getting a raise before you do). One woman was working in a Hispanic Supermarket, just said the rent is disgusting, while knowing full well (exact) what she made. Literally rape extortion. Her landlord, like most Californian landlords, was a rape extortionist because she feared and he know and now I know and I vouch the first thing that happens upon eviction is rape. Landlords threaten with rape. That's how they make money for nothing. Like yeah bring in a handiman every now or never, nah. Another one, this is damning, I was in a psych ward (as I frequently am), and one of the staff opened up about the rape extortion. Didn't actually say rape! But complained, it's all so competitive, rent is so disgusting, meaning she never profited from her work, and she was telling an inmate in the asylum! Because at the end of the day, they see me and know I'm not a bullshit guy who wants to barge through the door without saying hello, fuck as infectiously as he think he can get away with, and jump out the window without saying goodbye. A good man, a man who wants to be a husband and a father, a Christian, the absolute only true monster.
Really beautiful women trust me, I kind of hate that trust but oh well. Particularly when they tell me they've been raped, I hate that! That burns all bridges forever, because that means a greater than 1 in a million chance of accusing me of rape! And frankly having heard enough by this point, all beautiful people get raped. All of them. It's inescapable, they're targeted the most. The bitchvictim media sabotages their defenses because it wants them to get raped. Stanford feminists argue not, say it's about power, but they're chock-full of dogshit, it is partly about power but it is mostly about genetic reproduction. Get real. My accusers are so gross, I turn my phone off around them because I wouldn't touch them with a photon! Just gross, Ariel and Ashley, nothing so gross as betrayal, not glamorous at all, each synonymous with ten thousand instances of rape dungeon punishment. Dude can't go to Stanford reunion to talk to my witnesses because my accusers are very empowered and lying in wait under a bridge. When I returned to Stanford years later all I could think about was switching classes to something with no women, two female professors was terrifying because of the disgusting gullibility of the deans thirsting for a pretext to extort me with sodomy. Neither of them stood upright the whole meeting when they accused me of rape, because they couldn't they both had erections and both had eyes glazed. Witnessed the meeting of the minds, I arrived last to a meeting meant for me alone with the dean, and there were three other people there, you think they spoke before I arrived? What a complete gang-rape. Perfect crime because they knew if they accused me of rape at maximum speed with all the most disgusting ejaculations implying my guilt, off a script, and didn't let me open my mouth at all until the double bind where I was expected (being under coercion after all, sodomy extortion already being declared) to confess. Yeah never figure that one out.
But with this screaming sodomist, this Thursday, no post-traumatic stress disorder. More rather, losing my shit, as many on this forum said I was, but wasn't at the time, got it vetted by my doctor mind you, now it's like...am I living in a society that only wants to rape and murder me? It all started when a flamboy with 5 inch platforms screamed at me "gringo culiao" meaning calling me cooperative with being raped, ie by him, it was rape extortion, dude...without me saying anything to him, just walked down the street, being white, being tall, being straight, being a stranger to homosexual sex, and THE WORSE OF ALL having a fully straight backbone, from winning 33 conflicts before then. How am I supposed to hunch after 33-0? It's an animal status thing, dogs raise their tail, men raise their backs. Very visible when I'm also 6'2" (188 cm) (but for real, not like men who tell women they're 2 or sometimes up to 4 inches taller than they actually are, in person at least, on a dating app who gives a shit 6 inches taller). Specifically determined my height at the doctor's office because I kept getting asked what it was at castings, and while I could say it was 190 cm and they bought it, I said 189 cm (didn't round up), my best estimate, until a checkup where I asked for it exact. 188 cm is very tall, I don't know, only seen one woman taller than that in my life. So all that, and I guess people read my having been a straight model, and in some cases (teenage women especially can tell, I hate this about them) that I'm a hero (strictly according to Roman Law, got called a hero meeting all the criteria), then that's when I get targeted. It's a combination of their being 4 of them and 1 of me, the impunity, the feeling of power that I can be accused of being a violent homophobe for retaliating against a homosexual with 5 inch platforms screaming rape extortion at me, and of course his 5 inch platforms guy was like 5'5" without them, they uplifted him. They made him feel big, and it was the first time I encountered a flamboy dressed as a goth with such high shoes, hard to compensate in my mind, it was like he was 5'10". Besides being sexual display, ordinarily of being a homosexual, but in the context, of being proposing sodomy. Specifically had to do with my being white. So "gringo culiao" refers to my whiteness, like he wanted to stain me with his superior sodomist genetics...like what is he then going to buy my children, with his DNA, a gift for their first birthday? Will he go to their baseball game? Put food on the table? Give that daughter a generous allowance so she can buy outfits freely, which I heard one beautiful girl say once, and made me want to someday be the father who could come up with the money for that. Alimony? Pay for the wedding? Go to prison if he's behind on child support? Because he's screaming that he's straight, everybody's straight, he wants to have babies alright, he just doesn't want paternity himself, he wants to spread his genes through me. Wants to infect me with thousands of sexually transmitted infections, which in addition carry his human genome as a reward for spreading them, that's the endgame. I've been getting these threats for decades, and I'm just fed up with this shit, they always get mulligans and it's sodomy extortion, it's just wrong. And I'm realistically the only gringo who could retaliate for that, no other American could go back and give him a chance to back down on the sodomy threat. And follow through when he arrogantly upheld his threat of sodomy.
END OF PART I
rayiner|3 years ago
casefields|3 years ago
mschuster91|3 years ago
Well, the latter part is valid for almost every "bottom of the ladder" style precarious job. Be it agriculture, meatpacking, construction, flipping burgers, hauling trash, handing out Amazon parcels or sex work - all of these don't require much education or training, they're fairly risky (in terms of danger of accidents or other harm) and there's an abundance of potential workers which means the wages are very low.
> Internet porn makes this even worse, since even if they decide to stop, their material will stay online forever.
The irony is, there are so many people shaming anything sexual from erotic art over r/gonewild nudes to full-service sex work, but almost everyone of the shamers is jacking off to porn regularly.
In a decent society without religious bullcrap, there would be no stigma attached and that's it - and we're thankfully heading that way, given that "having an onlyfans" is basically the norm for young women these days employers simply can't afford to shame women for enjoying sex as they won't find staff otherwise.