Tesla AI Day 2022

[theGnuMe]

If this thing can clean the kitchen, load/unload the dishes, and do laundry it will be huge. That seems realistic based on the demo.

I imagine it will need an impressive amount of safety features.

[Mobius01]

The Tesla Robot was underwhelming. I appreciate the engineers on stage highlighting their work, but it all felt a generation behind Boston Dynamic’s efforts.

[ilaksh]

In a way. The motion was not spectacular like Boston Dynamics.

But any walking robot especially at that height and size is a significant engineering achievement.

And they have been working on it for months rather than years. And the system is entirely electric unlike Boston Dynamics.

The last demo was a person in a suit.

Your expectations were unrealistic if you are not impressed.

[mhoad]

I mean it was an embarrassingly janky piece of shit that looked like a slight breeze might send it to the ground.

Nobody would first look at that and then want to get into a self driving car built by the same company.

[Telemoto]

BD took ages to be were they are right now.

I actually think Tesla showed more than I expected.

At least we now start the rat race for robots.

[m00x]

It was underwhelming, but it's to be expected for 1 year of work.

This is also an electric motor robot vs pneumatic actuators from BD.

[martindbp]

Yes, a bit underwhelming, but it's a recruitment event and you've got to start somewhere. Question is how fast and if they can catch up with BD in terms of control.

[cosgrove]

Here's a good thread about Optimus vs. Atlas: https://twitter.com/EzerRatchaga/status/1576140275847610369

[memish]

How many Boston Dynamics robots have been made and what's the price? And how long ago did they start?

Tesla is going for volume and just started.

[addicted]

Before we even mention Boston Dynamics, can we talk about how it compares to the Honda Asimo?

Because it doesn’t.

[retreatguru]

I like how Elon is optimizing for hiring the best talent over keeping technology secret.

[Animatronio]

At this point the best thing to do is to have the Tesla Robot drive a model 3 around town, picking up passengers a la Total Recall taxi driver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy2i1U5pS4E

[jerpint]

I think this was the original vision behind teslabot. FSD is too hard, lets focus on AGI instead

[gabrielsroka]

From Tesla's channel:

https://youtu.be/ODSJsviD_SU

[dmartinez]

Thanks for the updated link. I'm not able to update the post anymore, but maybe one of the mods can.

[abudabi123]

Putting together the gang that manhandled the Optimus bot on stage and the video of the grand piano being lifted up and down you can see the business usecase for the removalist industry which charges by the step to relocate such a piano from A to B. Decades ago the price per step was $50, not the U.S. dollar.

[aniken]

I am curious, if they indeed used first principle thinking in order to design a robot that has to be able to replace human labor / jobs, why the robot needs to have 28 actuators and look and function exactly like a humanoid? It seems like copying exact human form, mobility, and movement would almost be arbitrary, and not really necessary. Anyone else have an informed idea as to why that wanted to so precisely copy the human form and movement?

Most robotics as far as I understand are designed to be specific to a set of tasks, and the design is optimized around that, thus no other industrial robots look exactly like humans, as far as I am aware. Are they being too ambitious, and romantic, in trying to design a robot that does too much while looking like a human?

[tim333]

I guess it's designed to fit in environments designed for humans like homes and offices.

Probably there is a bit of "too ambitious, and romantic" going on too.

I see their reasoning as something like that they have a lot of batteries motors processors and AI software lying around from doing cars. It would be kinda fun for a few engineers to try to put those bits in humanoid robot form. Who knows maybe it'll work, maybe it'll help the stock price. There isn't that much cost as they had most of the resources already.

[rkwasny]

I think the problem is not in the robot hardware but in the software, same as with self driving cars.

What would help the development would be a "standard" hardware platform one can just buy and add own code.

[chinabot]

As long as they dont give it a gun or a dick, Im OK with it

[ncr100]

A useful robot with initial purpose that takes job away, now, primarily from black and brown people. To be clear this is a tech product that increases profitability for a company.

Are ethics discussed in the presentation?

Social equity?

Watching now ... it's 3hrs .. looking for ethics consideration.

.. ok he simplifies what an Economy is, to the theoretical. Can an economy be one which frees marginalized people from poverty? I'm skeptical and hope Tesla has an Economist, on stage, shortly. Musk is claiming good intention, explicitly.

Q: So, who does this? Who is planning future economies where marginalized groups are even further marginalized?

Edit: down voting is perplexing, it's a reasonable topic for discussion given the significance of this tech neutralizing Labor.

Edit 2: we should have qualms about technology that disrupts sensitive populations. I have no qualms about introduction of things like Docker which disrupted the people who wrote lots of crazy scripts to help deployment of crazy configurations to process data on collections of servers. The key is the marginalized community, who is not in a position to be able to pivot because they are marginalized.

[bdlowery]

When shopping carts were introduced into stores people were angry because it would “take away the jobs of the employees shopping for you”.

That’s obviously ridiculous. They went and did more productive things in the store. The same will apply here.

[naveen99]

Elon mentions near the beginning that optimus being developed inside tesla, a public company [as opposed to spacex which is a private company], as part of the governance model.

But this is a recruiting / technical event, so you won't find more ethics considerations in the rest of the video probably.

[tim333]

It's a bit of a separate issue. When Ford first mass produced cars if probably reduced jobs in buggy whip manufacturing and similar fields but that's more a thing for the government to maybe worry about rather than car makers.