[drawingthesun]

As a Mac and iPhone user I am annoyed as this means I'll have to start migrating away from Apple over the next few years, paying for premium product only for the os and native apps to start getting adverts is atrocious and cannot be rewarded with my continued support.

Edit: I just checked the stocks app on my MacBook M1 Max and there are unrelated adverts alongside finance news items.

I am appalled and regretting my my m1 max (64gb ram, 4tb ssd) purchase for the first time. Up till now its has been one my of best tech purchases in my life. Not anymore.

This is a sign of pure greed. The most profitable company wants even more profits and will damage its brand to do so.

[thr0wawayf00]

> This is a sign of pure greed. The most profitable company wants even more profits and will damage its brand to do so.

This a feature of the system, not a bug. Companies have to keep growing because analysts and the money people decide that's how the system works.

[lotsofpulp]

I thought 401k/IRA owners and beneficiaries of pension funds (including taxpayers who ultimately are responsible for the deferred compensation liabilities) also want market caps to keep growing.

Especially with an upside down population pyramid.

[freeAgent]

The problem is that there's now nowhere to go, unless you can deal with using Linux as your daily driver desktop OS. I have tried many times and have never succeeded, but if it gets bad enough I may have to find a way eventually.

[drawingthesun]

I would rather go back to cheaper computers and phones and deal with ads than pay for extremely premium products and get ads.

I feel like an idiot buying a $7,000 aud computer to have the native apps contain ads.

It's disgusting.

[danielheath]

It's definitely difficult at first - the loss of polish, and the extra up-front setup to make it nice.

If you do try again, my advice is: Play to the strengths of the new OS.

MacOS makes decisions for you (usually good ones), but you're SOL if you don't like them. This culture affects native apps, too.

For me, getting good results out of Linux has been a question of putting in more up-front work to figure out what I actually want the computer to do. The result is... very comfy.

[thaumaturgy]

I have been daily-driving Plasma (KDE) for ... eesh, at least 5 years now, maybe 7. I can't remember the last time I booted a Windows or Mac OS (for my own use). Plasma just keeps getting better too.

I use it as a generalist dev (so, interacting with lots of different environments) as well as hobby & entertainment (incl. photography).

The biggest pain point IMO is lack of a good email application. They're all aggravating in different ways.

The initial getting-started process requires a bit of reading to figure out hardware support and get a few things dialed in. That's a little painful, but shouldn't be a deal-breaker for dev types.

If you want to jump ship from the Windows/Mac dichotomy, check out Plasma. Runs great on Debian. Debian's less "sexy" than other distros, but it's a great solution for the "I just wanna get my work done" crowd.

[Minor49er]

What is missing from the Linux experience that is keeping you from switching? I have found Linux Mint to be quite capable for the last decade personally

[zmmmmm]

Yeah, its sad but its still very hard to operate in most full professional senior roles using only Linux. MS Office and high quality video conferencing are the two that are show stoppers for me. Pure technical positions its probably more viable but I could not get away with the quality my staff using Linux only suffice with (misformatted documents, unable to open things, Zoom crashing regularly, etc).

[buffet_overflow]

Ubuntu/Canonical aren't great in this space either.

12.10 had Amazon Search baked in: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-am...

17.04 and later have ads in the terminal greeting messages: https://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-under-fire-for-put...

When even my healthcare websites contain Google tracking tags, it's getting harder to find _anything_ untainted by advertising companies, even after paying what I would consider a reasonable price for the service itself.

[b1ue64]

> unless you can deal with using Linux as your daily driver desktop OS

That's not as hard as you make it sound

[jml78]

I switched to linux on the desktop. I use Elementary OS. Is it perfect? No, is it good enough? Yes. I dual boot with windows for gaming.

I developed on a Mac for 15+ years.

[tracker1]

PopOS and Ubuntu-Budgie are pretty nice for general use... I think my only problem really is that Bluetooth headphones don't always auto negotiate to mono+mic to/from stereo... but I'd rather deal with that than ads in the Start menu search.

[throwaway742]

I haven't noticed any ads in Windows 10 LTSC on my gaming computer. I do have multiple layers of ad blocking though so it's possible they are being blocked by something and I just don't notice. Laptop is Debian.

[heavyset_go]

It's my opinion that if ChromeOS can suit a user's needs, then so can desktop Linux with a browser.

Plasma is actually well polished and reliable, much to my surprise as someone who never really cared for KDE.

[chillfox]

ElementaryOS and stick to flatpak for apps where possible works really well.

[karaterobot]

> this means I'll have to start migrating away from Apple over the next few years

I'm glad that you will, because unless a lot of people do this, it'll just prove to Apple that their customers will keep buying their products no matter what. Nine times out of ten, what Apple does is make decision that loyal users hate, but then those same people keep buying their products anyway, so they just stop listening to them at a certain point.

[hsn915]

There's no alternative. All the alternatives are actually worse in terms of "greed" or whatever. Apple is the only one putting out quality hardware and software.

Actually even the software is somewhat suspect but it's still leagues ahead of the "competition".

[bloggie]

Yes this is exactly why I switched from Samsung to Apple after they added ads to the Wallet app.

[zmmmmm]

If its any consolation, my take on this is that by purchasing a Mac (and not an iPhone) and avoiding all apps from the App Store or anything that displays ads you actually signal to Apple that you value their open hardware and software ecosystem. I would dispense with the iPhone but not the Mac ... until the day they actually mandate the App Store on Macs.

[grecy]

How do we go about blocking these ads?

Sounds like we’ll need OS level uBO.

PS if you’re serious, I’m interested in your m1

[drawingthesun]

What I mean by the next few years is instead of upgrading eventually to the M3 Max version of my laptop I'll buy something not Apple. If Apple continue down this path and don't do a reversal on this move.

[tracker1]

PiHole goes a long way.. for mobile, I've setup wireguard at home, which lets my phone use my PiHole for DNS... Was the most convenient self-host option for it... bonus, is it blocks ads for other devices too.