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Templating in HTML

200 points| clairity | 3 years ago |kittygiraudel.com | reply

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[+] spankalee|3 years ago|reply
<template> is great, but some people are surprised that it doesn't include any form of parameterization or expressions. The entire process of cloning a template and updating it with data is left up to the developer - it's pretty low level.

That's why my team made the lit-html library, which uses JS tagged template literals to make <template> elements for you, clone them and interpolate data where the JS expressions are, and then update the result really, really fast with new data:

      import {render, html} from 'https://unpkg.com/lit?module';

      let count = 0;
      
      function increment() {
        count++;
        renderCount();
      }   
      
      function renderCount() {
        render(html`
          <p>The count is ${count}</p>
          <button @click=${increment}>Increment</button>
        `, document.body);
      }      
      renderCount();
You can try that out here: https://lit.dev/playground/#gist=1eff9baed1251fc60dd7da8b7f9...

We're also working with Apple on a proposal called Template Instantiation which brings interpolations and updates into HTML itself (though the pandemic and things really stalled that work for the moment).

[+] wildrhythms|3 years ago|reply
I use lit-html for front end projects at work and it's a godsend, truly. Being able to keep one central 'state' object and just re-render a template based on that without having to pull in a whole framework, without having to set up a whole webpack build process, is incredible!
[+] bugmen0t|3 years ago|reply
Do you have a link to the template instantiation proposal?
[+] verisimilidude|3 years ago|reply
The <template> tag really shines when used alongside <slot> and the Shadow DOM.

But I really wish there were an HTML-native way to load <template> from separate files, the same way we do with CSS and JS. Not a show-stopper, but it’d be very nice to have.

[+] goatlover|3 years ago|reply
> But I really wish there were an HTML-native way to load <template> from separate files

Seems like the JS folks blocked this from happening. It's weird to me to think we've arrived at the point where JS considerations have come to dominate for something that was built to be a document sharing platform.

[+] cantSpellSober|3 years ago|reply
Yes, I thought that's what this article would be about. Respectfully, the MDN reference for <template> has more information than this post.
[+] brundolf|3 years ago|reply
Sorry, but the <template> tag doesn't actually do "templating in HTML"

...but it should. It's shocking to me that we've had the modern paradigm of client-side-rendering frameworks for over a decade now, without so much as an RFC for any kind of native support.

For the sake of render performance, bundle size, removing a need for transpilation, compatibility across frameworks. There are a million reasons this should be happening in the browser at this point. I'm sure it's a complicated standard to come up with (for one: HTML-based vs JS-based rendering), but why does it feel like nobody's even trying?

[+] tannhaeuser|3 years ago|reply
There's no lack of syntactical templating mechanisms when HTML is hosted within a SGML markup processing context (ie how HTML started life), and no need to add templating at the HTML markup vocabulary level either:

For server-side rendering, SGML (and also some other template "engines") provide HTML-aware, type-checked, parametric macro expansion. Actually, SGML templating works transparently on the client side and the server side.

Within the browser OTOH, there's already JavaScript, making every dynamic feature added to HTML inessential for better or worse, like it has for over 25 years now. That's just how it was decided a long time ago, and adding half-assed features to HTML like the template element (which requires JavaScript, in turn, thus doesn't add any essential capability) all the time is exactly the thing we shouldn't be doing when the damn "web stack" is already bloated as fuck.

[+] encryptluks2|3 years ago|reply
Because JS is where the privacy holes are at and keep getting added.
[+] labrador|3 years ago|reply
> Let’s start with the fact that <template> do not enabling you to do anything that’s not possible otherwise. In that way, it’s more of a convenience tool really. If you have significant HTML structures that need to be injected at runtime, it might be very cumbersome to do so manually with document.createElement and element.setAttribute.

I didn't expect the paragraph to end that way. I would write it:

Let’s start with the fact that <template> do not enabling you to do anything that’s not possible otherwise. In that way, it’s more of a convenience tool really. If you have significant HTML structures that need to be injected at runtime, you can use "display:none" to hide the HTML structure, then copy node to make and show a copy, for example a dialog box

Anyway, that's how I've been doing it. If <template> has some advantages, I'll start using it

[+] spankalee|3 years ago|reply
<template> is special, very different from display: none; and definitely has a few advantages:

- The elements in it are parsed into a different document and are inert until cloned or adopted into the main document. Images don't load, scripts don't run, styles don't apply, etc. This is very important.

- The content model validation is turned off, so a <template> can contain a <td>

- Mutation observers and events are not fired for parsed content.

- The <template> element itself can appear anywhere, including restricted content elements like <table>

- Other HTML processing libraries generally know to ignore <template>, unlike other content just hidden with CSS.

This makes parsing faster and guaranteed to have no side effects, and conveys the correct semantics to the browser and tools.

[+] Stamp01|3 years ago|reply
I think the main advantages are that you don't have to remember to add "display:none", and that it gives the structure more semantic meaning. If I look at your code and see "display:none", I don't know why you've chosen to hide it. If it's wrapped in a <template> element, I instantly know why it's not being displayed as I now have an idea of how it's going to be used.
[+] runarberg|3 years ago|reply
> for example a dialog box

The <dialog> element is now supported by all modern browser. I suggest you use it. It has a lot of niceties over implementing one your self, including capturing the focus, correct announcing to assistive technologies, styling the ::backdrop element, etc.

[+] apatheticonion|3 years ago|reply
I think it's mostly performance as the browser can add performance optimisations for HTML but not unevaluated JavaScript.

The alternative is a "display: none" block, but that triggers a calculation of styles, where <template> can never be rendered so it's evaluated (likely in parallel to JS) by the browser without style calculations.

The optimisations lose weight if the <template> tag is added programatically later. For it to be maximally efficient; all of the <template> tags must be inlined in your HTML prior to your application loading. You can play around with loading it asynchronously to ensure nothing blocks.

[+] kitsunesoba|3 years ago|reply
Front end web is not my forte, but as I understand display:none; can have unintended (usually negative) interactions with screen readers, which I don't believe is a possibility with HTML templates.
[+] cantSpellSober|3 years ago|reply
<template> (along with <slot>) allows for a declarative shadow DOM instead of clunky attachShadow()s on hidden <div>s (which doesn't work server-side)

Otherwise you probably don't need <template>, in fact they don't handle events the same as the rest of the DOM and will likely cause more pain

[+] rokhayakebe|3 years ago|reply
I assume content within "display:none" will be read by search engines and viewed in source. Is <template> read by search engines?
[+] lenkite|3 years ago|reply
I wish HTML and not just JS had supported for consuming templates. That is I wish we could do variants of:

    1. Define Template using <template id="card-template">...</template>
    2. Consume Template using <use-template id="card1" refid="card-template">..</use-template>
    
With substitution variables/text, this feature could be amazing.
[+] blowski|3 years ago|reply
> With substitution variables/text, this feature could be amazing.

At which point, are you just re-creating JavaScript?

[+] akira2501|3 years ago|reply
Here's what I got:

    const $template = function(template) {
        // make copy of template content
        const root = template.content.cloneNode(true);
        
        // create proxy object for accessing named nodes and root
        const obj = {
                get $root() {
                        // after template root is called, remove this getter function
                        delete obj.$root;
                        
                        // return root only once
                        return(root);
                }
        };
        
        // find all named template nodes and add to proxy object
        for (const node of root.querySelectorAll('[data-tmpl-name]'))
                obj[node.dataset.tmplName] = node;
                
        // otherwise create template node content wrapped in proxy which
        // makes attempts to overwrite properties an error.
        return(new Proxy(obj, {
                set: () => { throw (new Error(`Attempt to overwrite a template node!`)); }
        }));
    }
    
You can use it with something like:

    <template id="some_id">
        <div>
            <h3 data-tmpl-name="header"></h3>
            <h5 data-tmpl-name="title"></h5>
        </div>
        <p data-tmpl-name="info"></p>
    </template>
And then just:

    function of_some_sort() {
        const t = $template(document.getElementById('some_id'));
        
        t.header.innerHTML = 'The Header';
        t.title.innerHTML = 'The title';
        
        t.info.innerHTML = 'More stuff.';
        
        document.body.append(t.$root);
    }
    
This is was the first version I made. It's not hard to get from here to a version that can fill the template with a data object for you. In my most recent version, you could do:

    function of_another_sort() {
        document.body.append($template(document.getElementById('some_id'), {
            header: 'The Header',
            title:  ['first title', 'second title'],
            
            info: (elem) => {
                elem.setAttribute('functions', 'work');
                elem.innerHTML = 'and receive the internal element itself.';
            }
        }));
    }
    
Arrays duplicate the internal element and make copies of it, objects recurse into the element building a 'key.path.name' while looking for data-tmpl-name to replace. Functions get a copy of the element for more than just innerText/innerHTML replacement. A null or false value eliminates the internal element, and a true value passes it through unchanged.

If you've ever used the old ruby library Amrita, it's basically that, but for HTML Template elements. You can easily do all this in about 100 lines of JS.

[+] pretzelhands|3 years ago|reply
<template> tags are so incredibly useful for keeping your JS clean when you're not able to have something more reactive around for some reason.

I've recently used that on an interview project I did (https://github.com/pretzelhands/ubiquitous-sniffle) and it surprisingly takes you quite far with very little effort.

The only major annoyance is really manually keeping track of the elements in the DOM and .innerText and .innerHTML-ing everything that needs a dynamic value. But it's manageable if you keep it confined.

[+] wildrhythms|3 years ago|reply
This approach always seems so easy at first glance, but I find it gets rather unwieldy as soon as I need to update some deeply nested value- like updating a innerText in cell in a table in a card in a layout of a thousand cards without re-rendering the entire collection. I started using lit-html and it solves this problem (and only costs me 3KB or so to ship).
[+] ohmahjong|3 years ago|reply
Is the demo site still supposed to be up? I see

> TypeError: path must be absolute or specify root to res.sendFile

when I try to visit it.

[+] Gualdrapo|3 years ago|reply
I'm redoing from scratch my portfolio using plain JavaScript and <template>s for most stuff, pulling everything from a JSON as a pseudo database. I think for this kind of uses <template> is great, but you can really wish it has some extra features like the ability to define repeating block sections so you didn't need to declare nested <template>s for what would be a single block code.
[+] geuis|3 years ago|reply
Can't this be done more easily / programmatically via createDocumentFragment?

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document/cr...

[+] colejohnson66|3 years ago|reply
That's what the `<template>` element does. From the HTML standard[0]:

> The template element can have template contents, but such template contents are not children of the template element itself. Instead, they are stored in a DocumentFragment associated with a different Document — without a browsing context — so as to avoid the template contents interfering with the main Document.

[0]: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/syntax.html#template-...

[+] icedchai|3 years ago|reply
In the jquery days, I would often do this sort of thing with hidden divs.
[+] clairity|3 years ago|reply
i remember doing stuff like that too, but now it's official! ha.

it's exciting to see web standards (finally) taking direction from web developers rather than corporate interests, despite chrome being so prominent. as a random aside, i'm especially hoping forms get more love, like the common behaviors (datetime entry, combobox, validation/feedback, etc.) that every developer has to wrangle with over and over. and it's great to see things like the <modal> element becoming almost fully usable without js (it still needs to be triggered via js, but can be closed with a method='dialog' form button).

[+] cantSpellSober|3 years ago|reply
You weren't doing the same thing, though it may have had the same effect. Template elements aren't part of the "main" DOM.
[+] twism|3 years ago|reply
Man ... I would have been thrown off a cliff if I did this in the 2000s
[+] p2detar|3 years ago|reply
I appreciate this type of posts very much. Short, neat and to the point. I learned something today. Till now, I've always used:

  <script id="app-item-template" type="text/x-custom-template">
I'll definitely have <template> in mind from now on.

Thank you!

[+] asadlionpk|3 years ago|reply
I wrote apps this way before React came along. I hated inserting/updating values by hand with no binding.
[+] chrismorgan|3 years ago|reply
> 'content' in document.createElement('template')

Any reason you’d write this instead of window.HTMLTemplateElement, which is shorter to type and more efficient to evaluate?

[+] quickthrower2|3 years ago|reply
Modulo performance, why not store the html string in JS if you are going to use JS anyway, and with string interpolation it is more templatey anyway.
[+] xigoi|3 years ago|reply
With templates, you can do things like template.querySelector("label").
[+] Traubenfuchs|3 years ago|reply
What's the difference between using <template> and just putting your template content in a div with visibility:hidden?
[+] asplake|3 years ago|reply
How does <template> differ from <script type="text/x-my-templating-lang">?
[+] bugmen0t|3 years ago|reply
template does HTML parsing. The `content` attribute returns a DocumentFragment.
[+] cookiebyt3s|3 years ago|reply
i didn't know templates were inert. cool!