Zero-Emission Vehicles Progress Dashboard [pdf]

[adrianN]

I hate it when "zero emission vehicles" stands for "electric cars". We have trains, bicycles, and a number of non-car electric vehicles too. We should try to reduce the number of cars on road, not just make them electric.

[zeristor]

Or even just walk.

I mean if cities were more walkable there'd be less need to join the arms race of more and more aggressive cars on the road.

[Rygian]

The word "cars" appears exactly once in the whole dashboard, so I would assume it covers consumer vehicles, not cars.

[pelasaco]

why? Assuming that all vehicles are zero emission vehicle, why should we reduce the numbers of cars from the streets?

[Rygian]

The market trend seems to confirm the Clean Hydrogen Ladder [1] prediction that Fuel Cell Vehicles are a bad idea.

Quote: "FCVs continue to find it difficult to compete with BEVs on cost and popularity and are unlikely to gain market share in the passenger vehicle segment."

[1] https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/clean-hydrogen-ladder-v40-mic...

[VBprogrammer]

I was reading some assesment from the UK Health and Safety executive that in order to meet the same capacity as a typical petrol / diesel station a hydrogen station would need 2 truck deliveries of liquid hydrogen per day, something like 5% of trucks on the road would be employed delivering hydrogen.

[TheLoafOfBread]

Is it only me, or those graphs are resembling S curve which is slowly getting to its plateau, because rich people bought their BEVs and poor can't afford them?

[cantaloupe]

BEVs remain mostly a luxury purchase right now in the west, but the price of the average EV in China has been dropping precipitously (almost 50% in the last 10 years) [1]. Several big US auto manufacturers are also gearing up to break into the ~$20k market in the next few years.

[1] https://www.euronews.com/next/amp/2021/09/28/china-s-carmake...

[alex_duf]

I think it's more of a supply issue than a demand issue, and covid made the situation worse.

[toomuchtodo]

Used EVs filter their way down to less well off auto consumers over time, with well heeled consumers buying the latest gen.

[tacker2000]

A very interesting point shown here is the extremely large amount of overall energy storage/saving capacity that will be in the EVs themselves and the questions of how to “leverage” that, by bi-directional charging, for example. What else could be possible here? Huge grids powered by “undriven” EVs, whilst their owners receive cashback?

[tromp]

> The cumulative storage available from the EV fleet is so large that if it were all available, it would saturate revenues in the power system. This means there is likely a limit to the share of vehicles that charge bi-directionally.

Having too much EV battery capacity available to support grid energy storage seems like a very nice problem to have and should further boost investments in wind and solar. I hope that bidirectional charging ports become a requirement on all high-priced future housing.

[ZeroGravitas]

Just demand shifting of charging will have a big impact. EVs are a battery and and a computer on wheels. Charging automatically when the grid is cheap and green is going to really help the roll out of renewables.

[roter]

For somebody not well-versed in EV developments, pg. 13, titled "EVs will have 17 times the battery capacity of stationary storage systems by 2030", made interesting reading.

On a side note, I found many of the graphs difficult to differentiate.

[p0w3n3d]

Electric car is not zero emission. And never will be, unless it's made from renewable materials and battery is charged with sun.

[codeulike]

A zero-emission vehicle, or ZEV, is a vehicle that does not emit exhaust gas or other pollutants from the onboard source of power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-emissions_vehicle

[benj111]

Yes that's why various countries are working to clean their grids.