To put people who may not know Ryanair in context: is a low-cost Irish airline that operates in Europe. You can get round trip flights starting at EUR 0.01. His CEO is a very controversial person who has been on the press for suggesting aggressive measures to make air travel even cheaper, like run flights where passengers stand during the journey, removing toilets from aircrafts and the most recent one, providing paid porn movies on board. Once, I travel Madrid-Paris with them for less than 20 euros. Most of their fleet are Boeing 737-800.
Well, .01 EUR plus 'fees' (more fees than I've ever seen in my life - http://www.ryanair.com/en/terms-and-conditions#regulations-t...) including a minimum 6 EUR "Admin Fee" for the privilege of buying a ticket and a 40 EUR fee if you lose or don't print a boarding pass...
Thanks for the background. Wondering if people consider it workplace-safe ... "Oh! I was just searching for cheap tickets ... believe me, not cheap hookers! "
For those who haven't read the Ryanair story, it's pretty remarkable. The Ryan family had a small commuter flight business in Ireland (what is Ryanair today) and a large, profitable business leasing planes to airlines in the opposite hemisphere during peak demand. When the latter business was ready to IPO, it went really, really badly and the Ryan family had taken out massive loans throwing their entire fortune into question. They appointed a family friend, Michael O'Leary, as CEO of Ryanair and made a deal with him to give him 10% (I think) of all profits. O'Leary came to the US, studied what Southwest was doing, and took it to the extreme. He went on to become one of the most successful CEOs in Europe.
Knowing the story, my reaction to this headline is: wow, through testing, they figured out that people buy the ticket rather than wanting to fill out the CAPTCHA.
Interesting. Low frills airlines don't like price comparison websites, so the CAPTCHA is likely there to stop spiders. If one of these airlines has a free seat sale then bargain hunters are on the case before regular customers have a chance. Those bargain hunters - who use these third party websites to find cheap tickets - probably aren't the target audience for the sales.
Looks like Ryanair is trying very hard to get customers to use their website, instead of meta searchers that scrape their website. I think however, that they realize the complete opposite. Their website is now even more unusable and meta searchers still include Ryanair tickets.
Though this is pretty minor in the scheme of things, I'm constantly surprised at how horrible they can purposefully make the experience and still have people clicking to them. Myself included. From every interview I've seen with MD you get the impression he despises his customers. But they still make money. I guess until someone comes along who can compete and at least pretend they give a damn then it'll continue to work. I wont pretend I know how they could do it but the moment I have another option, Ryanair have lost me for ever.
Whenever I've had the choice between EasyJet and Ryanair, I've always chosen EasyJet. They're a bit more expensive but at least I don't feel as much treated as cattle.
That's fairly standard legalese for large companies. I'm not saying it makes any sense, I'm just saying I've seen it a lot. I believe this is an attempt to lay some groundwork to support the removal of links from sites that you don't want any corporate association with.
The entire web is based off linking. If they don't want linking, then they shouldn't use HTML and HTTP. "HT" stands for Hypertext https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertext
I am the biggest Ryanair supporter, they are the best airline in Europe: they are cheap and their planes are just as comfortable as city buses but they're always on-time and cheap if you know how to book. They're actually the most punctual airline in Europe.
This said, I just gave up booking a ticket with them after the third captcha. They'll scrap that stuff as soon as they notice the drop in sales.
Ryanair is good for on time travel (advertising 90%+ on time flights last year, which, according to them beats all other carriers) but nothing more.
Their staff will give you bullshit for anything over the limit, be it size or weight, no matter how minor. They actually walk around the line with carton boxes and put bags in to see if they fit. Their up-sale tactics are ugly too, if you forget your earphones during the flights - be prepared to listen to advertisements which start while you're still on the ground and continue every couple of minutes.
The planes - Boeing 737-800 are shit compared to, for example Airbus A320 (which another cheap flight firm operates, called wizzair). Massive difference in cabin noise and air pressure support - you don't feel a thing in your ears when landing with A320, head exploding every time I take the 737. Please note this is not a comparison of plane manufacturers, I believe these two plane models are fairly different in their age and technologies used to manufacture - I'm merely stating that Ryanair uses worse planes than other cheap flight firms.
Who flies with Ryanair ? People trying to save money.
If their website is too easy to use, these people will peruse it for hours, trying to find out the cheaper combination of flights to go from "somewhere near Madrid" to "somewhere near Berlin".
If RA raises the bar a little bit, these people will probably give up one or two queries earlier, hence picking some more "natural" route that will likely make RA a bit more money. Most customers won't think (or know) about the competition, RA has a very strong brand, so the chances that they'll just give up and go elsewhere are fairly slim, especially after having invested all that time going through captchas.
Captchas are very unfriendly towards older and less computer-literate people, but those segments are more likely to go through phone or agencies anyway.
Ryanair have always been the first to change things radically. From scrapping travel agents, scrapping in flight meals, requiring you to pay extra for checked in luggage. Each of these could be seen as "too far", and yet they have grown by leaps and bounds each time. Why would this be an different?
Amazing to throw away more and more usability in their platform and still retain customers because their price scheme is cheap.
I guess their budget is not good enough to hire a good programer. I wonder if the CEO hire his nephew, the one with some frontpage/dreamweaver skills for the job.
They just don't care about "good anything", they only care about cheap. If it was practical for them to provide only a telnet server, they would do it in a heartbeat.
The entire Ryanair experience is painful: airports far out of the city center, baggage fees, a crew / staff that cuts you zero slack and now the website.
They know their business, people will put up with a lot if it saves them money and that's what Ryanair is good at.
I flew from Spain to Morocco with RyanAir, the hassle was so great (getting a bus an hour out of the city), and the pilot seemed to be in training considering how the wings were waggling on approach to land (no wind). Never flown again with them since, I'll pay the extra euro for Vueling, EasyJet or the big carriers every time.
While it's crazy to think that you'd want to drive people away, it's probably rather controlled.
The ads (1) open in a new window, (2) Ryanair knows that no one is going to beat them on price, and (3) Ryanair can block any company that they think is a threat from showing ads.
Some governments would be served well by cutting costs to the absolute bare minimum and increasing non-tax revenue streams.
That's almost as good as Amtrak. You have to confirm your email address every time you buy a ticket, even after you've logged in to your account. And the form blocks paste, so you get to type it out each time.
[+] [-] macuenca|14 years ago|reply
Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryanair
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[+] [-] kinofcain|14 years ago|reply
On the internet, we call it 'trolling'.
In the case of RyanAir, they've turned trolling into a marketing strategy.
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[+] [-] skeptical|14 years ago|reply
That's hilarious (epic?)
[+] [-] myared|14 years ago|reply
Knowing the story, my reaction to this headline is: wow, through testing, they figured out that people buy the ticket rather than wanting to fill out the CAPTCHA.
Great read: http://www.amazon.com/Ryanair-Story-Controversial-Low-Cost-A...
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[+] [-] rmc|14 years ago|reply
In essence, they are cheap.
[+] [-] codesink|14 years ago|reply
From their TOS:
"5. Links to this website. You may not establish and/or operate links to this website without the prior written consent of Ryanair."
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This said, I just gave up booking a ticket with them after the third captcha. They'll scrap that stuff as soon as they notice the drop in sales.
[+] [-] karolist|14 years ago|reply
Their staff will give you bullshit for anything over the limit, be it size or weight, no matter how minor. They actually walk around the line with carton boxes and put bags in to see if they fit. Their up-sale tactics are ugly too, if you forget your earphones during the flights - be prepared to listen to advertisements which start while you're still on the ground and continue every couple of minutes.
The planes - Boeing 737-800 are shit compared to, for example Airbus A320 (which another cheap flight firm operates, called wizzair). Massive difference in cabin noise and air pressure support - you don't feel a thing in your ears when landing with A320, head exploding every time I take the 737. Please note this is not a comparison of plane manufacturers, I believe these two plane models are fairly different in their age and technologies used to manufacture - I'm merely stating that Ryanair uses worse planes than other cheap flight firms.
[+] [-] TorbjornLunde|14 years ago|reply
(Seems like different airlines are the most punctual depending on how you measure it…)
[+] [-] rmc|14 years ago|reply
[+] [-] bdfh42|14 years ago|reply
No matter what the problem was this is the wrong solution.
[+] [-] toyg|14 years ago|reply
Who flies with Ryanair ? People trying to save money. If their website is too easy to use, these people will peruse it for hours, trying to find out the cheaper combination of flights to go from "somewhere near Madrid" to "somewhere near Berlin".
If RA raises the bar a little bit, these people will probably give up one or two queries earlier, hence picking some more "natural" route that will likely make RA a bit more money. Most customers won't think (or know) about the competition, RA has a very strong brand, so the chances that they'll just give up and go elsewhere are fairly slim, especially after having invested all that time going through captchas.
Captchas are very unfriendly towards older and less computer-literate people, but those segments are more likely to go through phone or agencies anyway.
(Not that I care, I stopped using RA years ago.)
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[+] [-] cvander|14 years ago|reply
I guess their budget is not good enough to hire a good programer. I wonder if the CEO hire his nephew, the one with some frontpage/dreamweaver skills for the job.
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[+] [-] stef25|14 years ago|reply
They know their business, people will put up with a lot if it saves them money and that's what Ryanair is good at.
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[+] [-] AlexMuir|14 years ago|reply
http://www.alexmuir.com/2011/12/stupid-is-the-new-business-c...
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[+] [-] myared|14 years ago|reply
The ads (1) open in a new window, (2) Ryanair knows that no one is going to beat them on price, and (3) Ryanair can block any company that they think is a threat from showing ads.
Some governments would be served well by cutting costs to the absolute bare minimum and increasing non-tax revenue streams.
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