In general I agree, but if your partner isn’t used to that type of work they don’t really get it. Nor do they understand how a simple question can ruin an entire train of thought.
edit: In explaining this to my girlfriend, I showed her this comic: https://heeris.id.au/2013/this-is-why-you-shouldnt-interrupt...
Didn’t make any sense to her. And even after talking about this she doesn’t get that “just coming in for a kiss” is the same thing. Like I don’t want to come across as an asshole, but that’s what it looks like from the outside.
You develop a parallel, compartmentalized sub-personality that makes eye contact, smiles, and poses for a kiss, while the rest of your brain keeps thinking.
That's how I deal with this. Seems to work. The wife is happy for the little bits of passing contact, while she remarks later how "out there somewhere" I've been all day. And then I summarize what I've been thinking about and genuinely listen and connect for our dedicated together-time.
Programming is really weird like that. I feel like I get practically nothing done 80% of the time, but the 20% where I'm in a flow state and going ham makes up for it. You don't want to be disturbed at all when you're in that productive time.
> I showed her this comic: [...] Didn’t make any sense to her
Ask her to imagine that her job is to do multiplication problems involving not-even-large (three digits, let's say) numbers without writing down any of the steps (so, mental math). She should be able to recognize that this is doable, but with a higher-than-average amount of concentration to keep track of the intermediate values, and that any breaks in concentration will very likely result in having to start over. Now tell her to imagine what "starting over" would mean if there were very large numbers involved, and lots of them.
Alternatively, you can relate it to an orgasm. Suppose she lays down to masturbate, and if she were allowed to continue without interruption it will take her <however long>. Let's say this time it's 7 minutes. Instead, though, at 6 and a half minutes in, someone rings the doorbell, and it's something where she has to stop and answer, but she can continue once the interruption is taken care of. So she was what would have been 30 seconds away before being interrupted. Ask her: does that mean she can just lay back down, pick up where she left off, and then 30 seconds later, boom, orgasm?
Another thing you could do is show her a piece of legislation and point out all the nested conditions. Have her read it to evaluate whether some use case is/isn't prohibited/punishable/protected/etc., forcing her to keep track of what it's saying to understand whether some condition holds at any given point.
Approach #4: just ask her if she's ever been out somewhere with a long stretch of idle time (example: at a laundromat waiting for her clothes to dry, or having lunch) and pulled out a book to start reading, but someone in the vicinity (who she's less interested in talking to than reading) tries to make conversation. They chat for a few minutes and then stop, and then when she reaches the next page, the other person says something else, so then they chat for a minute or so and then stop, and then a minute or two later the other person says something else, etc.
This isn’t a place for relationship advice, but there must be dozens of things she won’t understand, and same from the other side: you can’t deeply understand everything that matters to her, you’d need to basically relive her life in her shoes.
There’s a point where you dont’ get it, but just follow what the other side is requesting, even if it doesn’t seem to make sense to you.
What would you say to her about this if the most important thing was the long-term health of the relationship?
Healthy relationships rely on mutual trust and mutual understanding.
If you are on this site, I imagine that your ability to be fully present in your job as you practice your craft is important to you. If you're talking about your girlfriend, I imagine that your ability to not be worrying about project timeline delays outside of work hours so you can be fully present with her outside of work hours is important to both of you. I imagine that it is important for you to have a relationship where you trust her to understand you and you trust her not to jump to a conclusion that you are an asshole.
I imagine those things are more important to you than the awkwardness, discomfort, and risk that comes with asking her to have a real serious conversation where you start by saying the things that matter to you.
"Reportedly, Feynman’s ex alleged that he didn’t just ignore her when he felt she interrupted him—he “flew into a violent rage,” and “choked her, threw pieces of bric-a-brac about and smashed the furniture."
rmckayfleming|3 years ago
edit: In explaining this to my girlfriend, I showed her this comic: https://heeris.id.au/2013/this-is-why-you-shouldnt-interrupt... Didn’t make any sense to her. And even after talking about this she doesn’t get that “just coming in for a kiss” is the same thing. Like I don’t want to come across as an asshole, but that’s what it looks like from the outside.
hypertele-Xii|3 years ago
That's how I deal with this. Seems to work. The wife is happy for the little bits of passing contact, while she remarks later how "out there somewhere" I've been all day. And then I summarize what I've been thinking about and genuinely listen and connect for our dedicated together-time.
ZephyrBlu|3 years ago
pwdisswordfish9|3 years ago
Ask her to imagine that her job is to do multiplication problems involving not-even-large (three digits, let's say) numbers without writing down any of the steps (so, mental math). She should be able to recognize that this is doable, but with a higher-than-average amount of concentration to keep track of the intermediate values, and that any breaks in concentration will very likely result in having to start over. Now tell her to imagine what "starting over" would mean if there were very large numbers involved, and lots of them.
Alternatively, you can relate it to an orgasm. Suppose she lays down to masturbate, and if she were allowed to continue without interruption it will take her <however long>. Let's say this time it's 7 minutes. Instead, though, at 6 and a half minutes in, someone rings the doorbell, and it's something where she has to stop and answer, but she can continue once the interruption is taken care of. So she was what would have been 30 seconds away before being interrupted. Ask her: does that mean she can just lay back down, pick up where she left off, and then 30 seconds later, boom, orgasm?
Another thing you could do is show her a piece of legislation and point out all the nested conditions. Have her read it to evaluate whether some use case is/isn't prohibited/punishable/protected/etc., forcing her to keep track of what it's saying to understand whether some condition holds at any given point.
Approach #4: just ask her if she's ever been out somewhere with a long stretch of idle time (example: at a laundromat waiting for her clothes to dry, or having lunch) and pulled out a book to start reading, but someone in the vicinity (who she's less interested in talking to than reading) tries to make conversation. They chat for a few minutes and then stop, and then when she reaches the next page, the other person says something else, so then they chat for a minute or so and then stop, and then a minute or two later the other person says something else, etc.
makeitdouble|3 years ago
There’s a point where you dont’ get it, but just follow what the other side is requesting, even if it doesn’t seem to make sense to you.
afarrell|3 years ago
Healthy relationships rely on mutual trust and mutual understanding.
If you are on this site, I imagine that your ability to be fully present in your job as you practice your craft is important to you. If you're talking about your girlfriend, I imagine that your ability to not be worrying about project timeline delays outside of work hours so you can be fully present with her outside of work hours is important to both of you. I imagine that it is important for you to have a relationship where you trust her to understand you and you trust her not to jump to a conclusion that you are an asshole.
I imagine those things are more important to you than the awkwardness, discomfort, and risk that comes with asking her to have a real serious conversation where you start by saying the things that matter to you.
aragonite|3 years ago
https://youtu.be/HLI7MLZYPBg
domnomnom|3 years ago
djmips|3 years ago
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copperx|3 years ago
"Reportedly, Feynman’s ex alleged that he didn’t just ignore her when he felt she interrupted him—he “flew into a violent rage,” and “choked her, threw pieces of bric-a-brac about and smashed the furniture."
jjtheblunt|3 years ago