[timinou]

Wayland's biggest disadvantage is that I can't use my computer as a heater anymore. With X11, I had that feature everytime I would try connecting a second screen to my HiDPI laptop.

Honestly though I don't get the Wayland hate. It's been stable to use and a joy to configure. X11 survives because of legacy and inertia, and I haven't looked back one second since the ~3 years I made the switch to Wayland/Sway.

[HansHamster]

> It's been stable to use and a joy to configure. X11 survives because of legacy and inertia, and I haven't looked back one second since the ~3 years I made the switch to Wayland/Sway.

Good for you, but I had the completely opposite experience. X11 just works for me without any serious issues, but the last time I tried Wayland a few months ago (on RDNA2) it was an unstable mess. Play a video with mpv? That's a crash. Firefox and some other applications I don't remember also had weird issues. And Gnome seemed to be the only desktop that was somewhat usable (except for all the crashes...). KDE still felt quite incomplete and others would not run at all (Hikari just made my screens flicker).

There are a few things that really make me want to switch, but in the end I always end up back with X11.

[yjftsjthsd-h]

> Honestly though I don't get the Wayland hate. It's been stable to use and a joy to configure.

That's fair, but you need to understand that the "haters" have the exact reverse position; X11 has been stable to use and a joy to configure, and Wayland remains full of "interesting" pitfalls. (If this is going to be that kind of thread: My personal irritation is that there's no consistent way to set keyboard/mouse layouts that works across compositors, or in many cases at all, because every single compositor does its own thing.)

[capableweb]

> Honestly though I don't get the Wayland hate. It's been stable to use and a joy to configure

Firefox doesn't work properly out of the box with Wayland, together with Spotify, Discord, VS Code and tons of other applications. I'm a Blender user too, and this submission is good news, but before that, Blender was in this box too.

I migrated to Wayland just last week but having to add fixes to various applications I use day-to-day (every one I mentioned except VS Code) kind of sucks and is not needed at all with Xorg.

But the performance is so much better and also lower memory usage, that I power through it. But I can understand why people are resisting Wayland, it seems it's very early still as not a lot of what I use supports it fully.

[smoldesu]

Wayland is starting to be enjoyable for me, but the road leading here has been extremely painful and paved by top-down mistakes that have slowly yielded us a usable protocol.

I like 1:1 trackpad gestures and V-Sync, but was it worth breaking screen recording, GUI libraries, RDP and hundreds of desktop environments? It's hard to say, but the fact that it took us 10 years to get halfway there causes me concern.

[alxlaz]

> Honestly though I don't get the Wayland hate. It's been stable to use and a joy to configure.

If you think Wayland is stable and a joy to configure today, you would've loved XFree86 around 2002 or so!

[vidarh]

I don't hate it, I just have zero reasons to switch and a switch would take significant effort.

I'm using bspwm, there is no bspwm alternative for Wayland I'm aware of. Sway might be the closest but not close enough. River might become an option one day, but is not there yet and would still require effort, and I have no incentive to expend effort on it as long as Xorg keeps working with the applications I need.

But for those reasons, seeing developer time going towards Wayland ports rather than other things is a nuisance. Just a nuisance - people can spend their time as they please -, but a nuisance all the same.

[the8472]

> Honestly though I don't get the Wayland hate.

I don't hate it. Sway works mostly fine. except drag&drop between file managers and firefox is broken in several ways, in both directions. And since that's an important workflow for me I'm still on i3. I'm checking once or twice a year and various other things improve. But D&D has always been broken.

[Arnavion]

Works fine for me, for at least the last two years. I upload files to drive.google.com in Firefox by dragging them from pcmanfm-qt. Both FF and pcmanfm-qt are running under Wayland, not Xwayland.

[favadi]

Wayland still doesn't work well with my NVIDIA graphic card. At this point, I'm not sure how many years until it is fully supported.