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sreevisakh | 3 years ago

Client certs as implemented on Gemini and IRC are self-signed. They are enrolled on the service after they're created. They don't need enterprise level capabilities. In fact, even the creation of these certificates are automated on many clients (eg: Lagrange Gemini browser, soju IRC bouncer). You don't even think of them as certificates. They're considered as identities.

And regarding the privacy. You can deploy as many certificates/identities as you want on multiple accounts and sites. It's not possible to track them across sites or even across accounts, since there is no CA involved.

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WorldMaker|3 years ago

Passkeys are indeed similar to that approach. There's no CA infrastructure, so they can be considered "self-signed certificates" (though they do not present as certificates, and currently cannot be used for TLS to my understanding, though I don't think there are technical reasons you couldn't wrap them in x509 metadata and use them as such it's just not a core use case), generated per-service, and enrolled as they are created. Passkeys add a couple enterprise features back in than just "raw self-signed certificates" in the form of optional "attestations" designed in a somewhat privacy-preserving way to prove the type of device that owns the key and in deeper enterprise modes the serial number of the device.