[txsoftwaredev]

Great, they should have never been banned to begin with.

[electrondood]

Fully disagree. They publicly mocked a trans person, in clear violation of the TOS that all users agree to as a condition of use of the platform. They were then temporarily suspended, as clearly laid out in the TOS.

Twitter says "Hey, if X, then Y." Babylon Bee says "Yeah, ok." Babylon Bee does X, and experiences Y. They are not victims, and there is no "violation of free speech" here.

[yanderekko]

>They publicly mocked a trans person, in clear violation of the TOS

Unless the ToS specifically calls out misgendering, then the slight of hand here is the presumption that all misgendering is hate speech. Looks like Twitter may have decided that this isn't the case.

[FormerBandmate]

Well, Elon changed the TOS. He can now make shit you like against the TOS. You can't rely on unelected rich people to determine speech even if they make decisions you like

[version_five]

I don't think the parent argued that it was compliant with the TOS, he's more likely saying that the TOS was inappropriate and is glad that's been corrected.

[illuminerdy]

Lots of people are publicly mocked on Twitter everyday. What makes "trans" people so special?

[threeseed]

It's very easy to say this at a high level.

But once you look into the reasons behind every ban you will see the subtleties that surround this discussion.

There is a reason that content moderation has been classed as the world's toughest problem.

[nonethewiser]

It's easy to see this at a low level too.

[gilmore606]

> the world's toughest problem.

On my HN this is cache invalidation and/or naming things.

[germandiago]

It is indeed. But my experience from what I saw from Twitter was a clear bias towards certain... authoritarian ticks? u know. It is a private company anyway, just mentioning the had those. They could do whatever.

Just an observation :)

I hope it is more balanced from now on. Now is when we will be able to see if Elon delivers on his words.

We will see how it goes.

[pydry]

Just coz it's hard to do it well doesnt mean they were trying to do it well.

Neither will Musk, most likely. Im sure we will be regaled with "unappreciated subtleties" about why tweeting about his private jet flights is a no no.

[socialismisok]

Transphobia is pretty clearly against twitters rules. They weren't really banned, they were locked out until they deleted their tweet. All they had to do was delete the tweet.

[Test0129]

> all they had to do is delete their tweet

He could've gotten a lighter sentence if he just accepted the plea deal! Do you understand how silly this sounds.

Moreover, they awarded Rachael Levine "Man of the Year" as a parody because they are a parody website that is right-leaning. Of all the things you could class as so-called "transphobia" this is what you choose? They never deserved to be banned. Additionally, I can go, right now, to Twitter and find a literally gold mine of rule breakers who lean far left that seem to never get touched. Strange, that.

I personally am excited for the reckoning. Twitter is absolute disaster and hopefully the left leaning bad actors get the bans they have deserved since 2016. I've read absolutely disgusting things, especially regarding white people ("white"-phobia in your terminology?) that should be banned and in many times investigated by the FBI. Hopefully we see those bans come down soon. There's a huge difference between Parler and what gets banned on Twitter. To the point you could consider Twitter a very good approximation of Parler for the left. It's time these bad actors get the bans they deserve.

[goldenchrome]

The argument that a person can be a different gender than the one that all their physical biology points to is absolutely not an open-and-shut case. I know many people believe that it is, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t valid opposing arguments. To me, that means that you shouldn’t be banned for contesting the idea of transgenderism.

I think a more reasonable argument is that people should be allowed to present themselves how they want without prejudice, but that there are still some undeniable facts about the world. Clearly there are people who want to have this discussion and silencing one side of the discussion doesn’t resolve it. It just causes the tension to fester. Get it out in the open and the truth will come out.

[ohCh6zos]

Galileo wasn't really under house arrest. All he had to do was recant.

The comparison seems apt because while the magnitude of the punishment is out of proportion the refusal to yield to orthodoxy by taking the simple way out is similar.

[nemo44x]

> All they had to do was delete the tweet.

And they didn’t which means they’ve earned gobs of respect because of their principled and dignified stance to refuse to be bullied. They won and showed the world you don’t have to lick the boots of elitist corporate oppressors.

[_-david-_]

A joke about trans people is not transphobia. If somebody makes a joke about white people is that whitephobia?

[MollyRealized]

The right of free speech doesn't apply to a private company. A company has every right to dictate what services it will provide and the conditions for using those services. It is not a public communications carrier.

[thingification]

This is to conflate (as so often) the USA's legal/constitutional codes with the principle of free speech. That principle has to do with promoting criticism of ideas, and preventing the suppression of criticism. The US codes are (just) one instance of a way to support that principle. The principle applies to all criticism, and all suppression of criticism.

[FormerBandmate]

Musk after banning @elonjet in 3 minutes

[ilyt]

> It is not a public communications carrier.

It has 400 million users. By all other definition it is a public space

[xigoi]

And for the same reason Musk has a right to unban them, so what are you complaining about?

[mlindner]

They were never banned only suspended, and there's nothing in the link to indicate that they've been un-suspended from posting.

From last week proof that they weren't banned: https://web.archive.org/web/20221019005155/https://twitter.c...

[NaturalPhallacy]

They were suspended with a little Maoist struggle session setup that they were required to go through to repent their sins, and included is an admission that they were sinners for doing it, in order to get their account back.

You left that very important part out.

[outside1234]

What were they banned for? Looking through the content, I don't see any of the egregious hate speech or incitement of violence that we've seen in other bans like Trump.

[socialismisok]

They gave a trans woman their man of the year award and tweeted about it. Twitter said misgendering is against their rules and blocked the account until they deleted the tweet.

Babylon Bee felt attacked and refused to delete the tweet, so they just left their own account locked.

[PartiallyTyped]

Nobody should ever be banned for violating the TOS of a private entity/s.