TextMate 2

[tvon]

> Sadly I had to pull the alpha since it’s now all over twitter w/o proper introductionary text, hotfixes, etc.

(http://lists.macromates.com/textmate-dev/2011-December/01465...)

Maybe something to do with the IMPOSSIBLE TO MISS REQUEST TO NOT RE-PUBLISH THE ALPHA INFORMATION that people can't seem to comprehend.

[starnix17]

For what's it worth, this was posted on a publicly accessible TextMate mailing list.

Not sure why he would think it wouldn't leak out.

[johanjessen]

I was thinking the same thing. It's too good to be true, so people are too eager to share it, despite Alpha issues.

Can't wait to try it myself though...

[EGreg]

I am starting to understand why Apple has provisioning of devices -- and now Macs -- for pre-release software.

[dextorious]

If anything, the request seems more ironic that actual...

As if there was a chance in hell it wouldn't get republished...

[apike]

Congratulations to Allan for overcoming coder's block and burnout and putting something in people's hands.

I've complained about the wait as much as anybody else, but if I'm still using Textmate 1 after 6 years of waiting, that's something he should be proud of too.

[biesnecker]

First Duke Nukem, now Textmate... it's sad to see the vaporware industry collapse like this, isn't it?

[bradgessler]

Don't forget about the Higgs Boson.

[Pewpewarrows]

Seriously, who puts

    PLEASE DO NOT REPUBLISH THIS INFORMATION!

on a publicly-accessible mailing list unless they're just asking for the Streisand Effect to occur.

[petercooper]

PLEASE DO NOT REPUBLISH THIS INFORMATION!

.. is probably the best thing to write if you want something to get republished ;-) Nonetheless, all of the reports I'm seeing on Twitter are resoundingly positive so far, albeit with a few complaints over the icon (but what's new there?)

[adambyrtek]

Sounds like: "Don't think of a pink elephant."

[getsat]

While I doubt it, it could have been intentional to reignite interest/discussion.

[JonnieCache]

Meanwhile the sublime text 2 guy knocks out sweet new features every couple of weeks like it ain't no thing.

Just sayin'

[bradgessler]

The story of TM2 reminds me of "Dreaming in Code" (http://www.amazon.com/Dreaming-Code-Programmers-Transcendent...).

[billpatrianakos]

Yeah you have a point there. There are a ton of people knocking out new versions daily. My favorite editor's developer, Chocolat (http://chocolatapp.com) has been updating his editor almost daily for the past few days! In any case, why is it so important for TextMate to get to 2.0? This is an honest question. I understand that software needs minor bug fixes and patches so it can continue to be stable, run well despite OS updates, and be secure but what new features is everyone looking for? I just don't get what people are waiting for.

[AlexMax]

For my personal use, this release falls a little flat because these days being cross-platform is a pretty important editor feature to me. It's great that Find in Files doesn't freeze the entire program anymore, but I need something that works no matter if I'm on my Mac laptop, my Windows desktop or my remote Linux server. I'm currently a Sublime Text 2 user by day, but I'm on the cusp of switching to Emacs full-time.

That said, TextMate was the first scriptable text editor I ever truly enjoyed using, and I'm really pleased to see that TM2 is finally about to be released to a wider audience after such a long development cycle. Congratulations to Allan for finally having something that he can share with the world, and I don't regret what I paid for the license, even if I no longer use it.

[quellhorst]

Download link: http://www.multiupload.com/VA06QA4MI0 Requires a Textmate 1.0 serial to use.

[hornbaker]

Still no mention of chunked Undos. Undo'ing character by character is why I gave up on TextMate years ago, but I suppose I should be thankful since it helped me find Vim.

[hornbaker]

Correction: I found chunked undos listed on a separate feature list: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/891742/Screenshots/tm2_release_notes...

[blissofbeing]

I really liked the web preview of TM1. But its gone in this version of TM2. :( No other editor has this functionality, except maybe espresso[1], but I don't really like their solution.

Nor am I that happy with http://livereload.com/ as it only updates on save.

As a front end dev, I want a live preview in my editor that autoupdates on each key press, this makes prototyping so much faster.

I guess its time to start working on a SublimeText2 Plugin...

[1]http://macrabbit.com/espresso/

[aerique]

Can you please expand on this live preview thing so people can add it to Emacs?

[jorisw]

Try out Coda by Panic. IMHO the best editor out there.

http://panic.com/coda

[Tycho]

I think TacoEdit had this too,

[mhartl]

Several people have noted that TM2 lacks desired features, such as split screens. My guess (hope?) is that this alpha release includes massively refactored internals to allow new features to be added quickly. In other words, maybe it's a black triangle (http://rampantgames.com/blog/2004/10/black-triangle.html).

[1qaz2wsx3edc]

TextMate 1 is r1631 TextMate 2 is r8926

7000 commits, Allan is pretty badass, IMO.

For everyone mentioning sublime vs textmate. Editor holy wars are pointless. Jeez.

[rhubarbquid]

Holy wars are pointless... but there is value to a reasonable discussion of two competing editors.

[jjcall]

No split windows yet... still hoping.

[b3b0p]

This was the first thing I looked for in the feature list and after I started it up for the first time. Thought for sure I was missing it some where. Looks like I'm not the only one.

Next, I was looking for fullscreen... Surely it's here, but I'm not seeing it.

These 2 features alone are huge to me and reasons I still stick with MacVim despite it feeling/being clumsy at times. It just doesn't have that same polish, look, feel that TextMate has. Sublime is nice I guess, but I just can't get into it (I still bought a license to try out and support the efforts).

[getsat]

I got tired of waiting and moved to Sublime Text 2 for this reason alone. Three columns at once is glorious.

[gurkendoktor]

Be sure to drop by in ##textmate on freenode, the discussion on how to implement and use split windows is not really making progress so far.

[hemancuso]

Seriously? Wow.

[awolf]

On the surface, his request to not republish seems laughable.

However, I'd guess Alan expected our collective failure to respect his wishes knowing that once it began to spread he could cut off access. His goal of getting a small set of the most devoted users to download and sanity check his pending release was accomplished.

[bruth]

http://instagr.am/p/Yyrjy/

[emehrkay]

It's beautiful. Downloading now. I scanned the mail, I wonder if they address auto refreshing of network sources.

[patrickod]

I don't know how Allan figured this release would remain out of the public eye. Yes if you want to alpha release it to a very select group of people but don't send your release notes and download links to a public mailing list. Word will definitely leak out.

[brcrth]

Hm.. I wonder how many people will switch back to TextMate 2 from Vim/Emacs/Sublime Text?

[ashleyw]

After playing with TM2 for half an hour or so, I don't think I'll be switching back from Vim. I was hoping for some split-screen action and maybe some advanced autocomplete intergration, but it doesn't seem to have either. It's looking to be a great update and improves on a lot of things in the existing version, but if I were honest, I'd have to say I wouldn't bother upgrading if it wasn't free.

That said, it's obviously an alpha release, so who knows what the future will hold.

[mgrouchy]

I imagine all three are superior to TM2, especially Vim and Emacs, after you bust through the learning curve no point ever going back.

[Derbasti]

Funny though, how many people got hooked on Textmate and moved on to Emacs or Vim in the last few years.

I certainly did. After tasting Emacs or Vim, there is no going back.

I wonder whether we would have stayed if Textmate had been updated earlier. I also wonder whether this new spring in text editors might be in part a reaction to Textmates hibernation. Maybe if it had been updated earlier, there would be no Sublime Text, no Kod, no Chocolat and no Vico?

[neutronicus]

This emacs user won't.

I've gotten too used to org-mode, SLIME, M-x shell, and a host of other things I'm pretty sure textmate doesn't do.

[equalarrow]

Ha, funny. I just switched back to Emacs this past week after a 5 year hiatus. Thank god for muscle memory..

[jaxn]

I gave up and went with Sublime when I bought a new machine a couple of months ago. I won't be switching to TM2

[scelerat]

I can't wait to try TM2, but in the last six months I switched to vim and vico and got extremely comfortable with them. TM2 will have to really be something else for me to switch back.

[kellishaver]

I like Sublime Text, I paid for it, and it's cross-platform. No going back for me.

[bigfudge]

Loving the new proportional-fonts-for-headings in Markdown. It seems so obvious in retrospect, but it's the one thing that makes writing longer document painful for me in any text editor.

[bad_user]

This is already available in Emacs. The Markdown mode is not configured by default to display proportional fonts for headings, however configuring it is easy.

[teilo]

I am glad to see this, and will likely upgrade, but having moved on to PyCharm, I have very little reason to go back to TextMate for my Python/Django work.

[buff-a]

I used to use TextMate until fairly recently for anything that XCode, IntelliJ or MD didn't handle natively. Now I use SlickEdit for Mac [1] as it finally has a native version. Though, concretely, I still use TextMate for Octave. =)

[1] http://www.slickedit.com/products/slickedit-for-mac