He's not personally liable for the $13B. If (when?) Twitter implodes, he gets to walk away not owing a dime of that money--so why spend it if he doesn't have to?
You can, in most states a mortgage is a non-recourse loan, meaning that the bank cannot come after your other assets if you default.
He owns the company that has loans, but the company has the loans -- not him, he hasn't personally guaranteed them. Company folds, creditors have no recourse (generally).
1. In a lot of cases you can "just walk away". These are so-called "non-recourse loans". Some states (12) only permit non-recourse loans for residential real-estate.
2. If you own a company and the company goes bankrupt with bonds (loans) outstanding, the recourse is that the bondholders (lenders) get control of the company before the shareholders (you) get anything. (This is analogous to the mortgage situation above: the mortgage lender gets the house, become an REO [real-estate owned] on the bank balance sheet.)
Yes, you literally can. It's sometimes called a "strategic default". More importantly, this was what people did during the subprime mortgage crisis of the mid aughts. In fact, the baller move was to stop making the payments, and then challenge every bank that tried to foreclose because none of them had all the proper paperwork to show they legally owned the debt.[1]
There were even pearl clutching op-eds[0] about how it was "immoral" to stop paying a loan on a property that wasn't worth the loan, even though that is is literally the legal and optimum move that companies do all the time.
Twitter borrowed $13 Billion, not Elon Musk. Technically, "X Holdings" took on the debt (a new company Elon started up), but "X Holdings" is effectively Twitter now.
> I can’t just buy a house with a mortgage and walk away.
If you create a business, lets say "Foobar Incorporated", and get the banks to recognize the debt as assigned to "Foobar Incorporated", you can walk away as "Foobar Incorporated" goes bankrupt.
Similarly, it is "X Holdings" who goes bankrupt in this arrangement, not Elon Musk.
No, he doesn’t. Twitter is formally owned by X Holdings, an LLC Musk set up. In the eyes of the law, Elon Musk and X Holdings are two separate entities, where one can file for bankruptcy and the other may not.
He’ll be liable only if he personally guaranteed the loans, but the details say otherwise.
The debt deal had at least 3 different tranches. I can't find details on how all the $13 Billion is structured (reminder: what I posted above is my best estimate. I'm hoping I was gonna get someone who knew these details better...)
I know that at least $3 Billion is fully unsecured (!!), no collateral involved at all. I forget what the other $10 Billion was like right now though. So its complicated.
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Elon Musk was responsible for the $33 Billion. $44 Billion buyout + some debt (I guess Twitter had $2 Billion preexisting debt?) == $46 Billion total buyout, structured as $13 Billion from Morgan Stanley + other banks, and $33 Billion from Elon Musk.
However Elon Musk raised "his end" of the $33 Billion is yet another mystery. He probably sold TSLA shares, or took a loan using TSLA stock as collateral. But this is independent of the $13 Billion I was talking about earlier.
Reason077|3 years ago
bmitc|3 years ago
zamfi|3 years ago
He owns the company that has loans, but the company has the loans -- not him, he hasn't personally guaranteed them. Company folds, creditors have no recourse (generally).
sokoloff|3 years ago
2. If you own a company and the company goes bankrupt with bonds (loans) outstanding, the recourse is that the bondholders (lenders) get control of the company before the shareholders (you) get anything. (This is analogous to the mortgage situation above: the mortgage lender gets the house, become an REO [real-estate owned] on the bank balance sheet.)
andrewmutz|3 years ago
If you walk away, you lose your investment, but you aren't on the hook for the money that the bank put up.
It would affect your credit rating (and for musk there would be a similar reputational hit) but neither of you need to pay back the bank.
jonathankoren|3 years ago
There were even pearl clutching op-eds[0] about how it was "immoral" to stop paying a loan on a property that wasn't worth the loan, even though that is is literally the legal and optimum move that companies do all the time.
[0] https://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the-monitors-view/2010/...
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/04/business/04mortgage.html
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dragontamer|3 years ago
Twitter borrowed $13 Billion, not Elon Musk. Technically, "X Holdings" took on the debt (a new company Elon started up), but "X Holdings" is effectively Twitter now.
> I can’t just buy a house with a mortgage and walk away.
If you create a business, lets say "Foobar Incorporated", and get the banks to recognize the debt as assigned to "Foobar Incorporated", you can walk away as "Foobar Incorporated" goes bankrupt.
Similarly, it is "X Holdings" who goes bankrupt in this arrangement, not Elon Musk.
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boeingUH60|3 years ago
He’ll be liable only if he personally guaranteed the loans, but the details say otherwise.
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dragontamer|3 years ago
I know that at least $3 Billion is fully unsecured (!!), no collateral involved at all. I forget what the other $10 Billion was like right now though. So its complicated.
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Elon Musk was responsible for the $33 Billion. $44 Billion buyout + some debt (I guess Twitter had $2 Billion preexisting debt?) == $46 Billion total buyout, structured as $13 Billion from Morgan Stanley + other banks, and $33 Billion from Elon Musk.
However Elon Musk raised "his end" of the $33 Billion is yet another mystery. He probably sold TSLA shares, or took a loan using TSLA stock as collateral. But this is independent of the $13 Billion I was talking about earlier.