The image of Elon Musk turned sour after he decided to play geo-politcs and play the Putin's peacekeeper puppet. That event, at least for me showed the true colors of Musky
I wouldn't call it "playing" geopolitics when his company is sinking money into the conflict via starlink, and he presumably has no choice in the matter. Peace is always better than war, I'm not sure when we started valuing life so cheaply. Or is it just Ukrainian lives we'll happily write off? Overwhelmingly men, and not the children of the oligarchs that are funnelling money out of the country. Ultimately, every one will pay the price for this war, except for the political elite that are profiting from it.
If science had demonstrated that telepathy is possible even on one-to-one basis let alone at massive scale, it would be far easier to take this popular meme (and the hundreds of others like it) more seriously.
Maybe that's a bit too much to ask of humanity at this stage of its development, but a person can always dream!
I think the split around that is that people like me didn’t see his appeal as wanting peace. Russia was de-facto allowed to annex huge swathes of Ukrainian territory in 2014 - what did we learn from that?
To me, Musks calls are equivalent to saying “ok, now freeze the frontline until Russia has had time to rearm and rebuild for the next push”.
We tried the “peace” proposal Elon put forth in 2014, thousands of young Ukrainians and Russians are now dead as a result.
“I say, Théoden King: shall we have peace and friendship, you and I? It is ours to command."
"We will have peace," said Théoden at last thickly and with an effort. Several of the Riders cried out gladly. Théoden held up his hand. "Yes, we will have peace," he said now in a clear voice, "we will have peace, when you and all your works have perished--and the works of your dark master to whom you would deliver us. You are a liar, Saruman, and a corrupter a men's hearts. You hold out your hand it to me, and I perceive only a finger of the claw of Mordor. Cruel and cold! Even if your war on me was just--as it was not, for were you ten times as wise you would have no right to rule me and mine for your own profit as you desired--even so, what will you say of your torches in Westfold and the children that lie dead there? And they hewed Háma's body before the gates of the Hornburg, after he was dead. When you hang from a gibbet at your window for the sport of your own crows, I will have peace with you and Orthanic. So much for the house of Eorl. A lesser son of great sires am I, but I do not need to lick your fingers. Turn elsewhither. But I fear your voice has lost its charm.”
Everybody wants peace. Peace is a good thing. But what most people agree on is that you don't give an autocrat anything they want just for the promise of peace. Most people remember that lesson from 1938.
Putin won't stop though, the war with the Georgians in 2008, 2014 Ukraine invasion and now this Ukraine war. Is it really peace when one side calls for peace?
Don't forget WW2, when Nazi Germany under Hitler annexed Czechslovakia in 1938, invaded and split up Poland in 1939 and all the Great Powers did not do anything due to either appeasement or isolationism. We need to learn from history, expansionist dictators do not stop and conceding to them only leads to further war and likely world war.
yonaguska|3 years ago
sackbut|3 years ago
mistermann|3 years ago
Maybe that's a bit too much to ask of humanity at this stage of its development, but a person can always dream!
RobertRoberts|3 years ago
Does it matter that his method wasn't ideal, at least he wasn't pushing for nuclear war like many politicians.
jakewins|3 years ago
To me, Musks calls are equivalent to saying “ok, now freeze the frontline until Russia has had time to rearm and rebuild for the next push”.
We tried the “peace” proposal Elon put forth in 2014, thousands of young Ukrainians and Russians are now dead as a result.
yusefnapora|3 years ago
"We will have peace," said Théoden at last thickly and with an effort. Several of the Riders cried out gladly. Théoden held up his hand. "Yes, we will have peace," he said now in a clear voice, "we will have peace, when you and all your works have perished--and the works of your dark master to whom you would deliver us. You are a liar, Saruman, and a corrupter a men's hearts. You hold out your hand it to me, and I perceive only a finger of the claw of Mordor. Cruel and cold! Even if your war on me was just--as it was not, for were you ten times as wise you would have no right to rule me and mine for your own profit as you desired--even so, what will you say of your torches in Westfold and the children that lie dead there? And they hewed Háma's body before the gates of the Hornburg, after he was dead. When you hang from a gibbet at your window for the sport of your own crows, I will have peace with you and Orthanic. So much for the house of Eorl. A lesser son of great sires am I, but I do not need to lick your fingers. Turn elsewhither. But I fear your voice has lost its charm.”
― J. R. R. Tolkien
sylens|3 years ago
Everybody wants peace. Peace is a good thing. But what most people agree on is that you don't give an autocrat anything they want just for the promise of peace. Most people remember that lesson from 1938.
buildsjets|3 years ago
saryant|3 years ago
forkLding|3 years ago
Don't forget WW2, when Nazi Germany under Hitler annexed Czechslovakia in 1938, invaded and split up Poland in 1939 and all the Great Powers did not do anything due to either appeasement or isolationism. We need to learn from history, expansionist dictators do not stop and conceding to them only leads to further war and likely world war.