[ianleeclark]

> So your white collar friends are going to sit and enjoy life while the good times roll but flee the second hard times come.

Seems reasonable. Why would anyone want to spend their last moments bleeding out from avoidable violence?

> If I had a friend that only came over for a BBQ and couldn't be bothered to help me in a time of need, that isn't a friend

For many people the modern relation with the state can be mediated through nationalistic fervor or through comparison of services provided. You seem to see it through the former, so you'll need to exercise some empathy to see the latter.