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caliwagon | 3 years ago

Investing for retirement shifted from a company taking responsibility to employees taking responsibility with the advent of 401k and similar plans instead of defined benefit pensions. Over time it has been noted that picking individual investments tends to do worse than simply buy everything.

As workers pour money into these non-discriminating investments, hoards of people are blindly investing and skewing away from efficient markets. Everyone (scare quotes everyone) is just buying large swaths of everything all the time without regard to fundamentals.

It's all good as long as this continues, but a shift in enough people no longer believing this, will reduce demand and prices will go back down.

In other words, people just buy everything because there is no alternative. If enough stop doing that, prices will readjust downward because too many stocks are overvalued due to the current wisdom of buy regardless of price.

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2OEH8eoCRo0|3 years ago

I'm not an expert but I still don't get it. If everyone is buying everything then the whole market is overvalued? Is it possible for everything to be overvalued? Overvalued compared to what yardstick? Stock performance is also not a direct indicator of future company performance. At the end of the day buyers are still taking an educated guess at the future. If everyone does this randomly aren't we just back to the whole market being invested in? If it's not random and skewed to popular companies like Apple or Coke then isn't that another artificial thumb on the scale?

Isn't Burry in essence saying that if everyone sold all their stocks then the market as a whole is a bubble?

I'm quite confused.

Kinrany|3 years ago

It's possible for the whole stock market to be overvalued. There are things to buy other than stocks.

sdenton4|3 years ago

Some missing nuance here is that the s+p 500 is not everything!

It's a subset which has essentially been selected for long term performance. There may be a couple Enron's hiding in the set, but on average they are good choices, with much lower risk than the average company not in the top 500.

caliwagon|3 years ago

Yes, there is some hand waving, but it conveys the general idea that current wisdom and circumstances have made investing in large sets of stocks all the time with no regard to the underlying fundamentals does put an upward pressure on prices.

No the s&p 500 is not "everything", it is one, albeit very popular, index. There are many others, but the underlying concepts are the same. Further, the companies are not selected for long term performance. Ignoring some finer details, the s&p 500 is the largest 500 US companies by market cap. Perhaps you are confusing this with the DJIA which is hand selected, though not selected for long term performance by any means; rather, it is selected in a way to represent the economic landscape - how well it achieves this is a matter of debate for sure.