Looks nice to me, granted I have not been following Thunderbird, as I believed it to be dead[0] over a decade ago. Its nice to see that the community has keep it alive!
For Thunderbird users, do you find it interfaces well with Google Workspace Email (Gmail) and Calendar? I prefer native clients to their interface usually but Apple Mail isn't the greatest so I've been using the web interface and I don't particularly enjoy it.
I use BusyCal for calendar and I like it, but I'd love to have it in a "suite" like this, just makes things easier.
It works fine, unless you want to use Google Calendar and a non-Gmail email together. Then it goes nuts and makes your Gmail send out calendar invites instead of the email you use.
I've used Thunderbird with GMail for years, using POP, not IMAP.
It works well. However, in the last few months, the GMail Spam filtering service has stopped working with POP. Items marked as Spam in GMail still get downloaded.
The only problem I've had with GMail via Thunderbird is that some orgs block IMAP access.
I've been quite happy with Calendar as well. You don't get real-time sync and all of the Google Calendar goodies like viewing other people's schedules, adding Google Meet links easily, room booking and probably more are missing. But I've found that using it as mostly view-only works well, then I schedule meetings in the webUI.
That being said the calendar interface has been fairly awkward in the past, so I'm really excited about this new version. I'm sure there will be some rough edges but if they can fix the alignment of events with respect to start+end time and make the view/edit dialog less awful it would be a huge win.
Actually it was the best option I had on Linux for O365 corporate email client. They added OAuth support probably during the past 2 years and they added some important features to the calendar notification about a year ago. The calendar has always been kind of behind though. It definitely wasn't dead but absolutely lots of room for growth. This post made me excited.
One minor thing I'd like to see, and I don't know if this is to do with the underlying calendaring spec, is the differentiation of physical location and online meeting.
Some events may have both and I have found the "Join" buttons on desktop notifications for Outlook/Teams to be pretty convenient.
I really really like that Thunderbird is getting maintenance and new features even when I thought it had been abandoned by Mozilla years ago. Though I'm currently using Mail.app (and having used web mail before), I'm curious what happened, who are the developers, how the funding is going, what the relation to Moz is, and whether I should switch?
I also use Mail.app privately but Thunderbird on any Windows or Linux machine I work with. Outlook might look nice, however, I can’t bring myself to spend time to figure out the calendar in Outlook. When Thunderbird was not available, I’ve defaulted to looking up my appointments on Google calendar in the browser because that’s what my team at work is using.
I'd really like it work with Office365 out of the box. I know there are add-ons that do it (Owl being one of them), but native support just like the support for Gmail accounts would be great.
This is the only real downside of Thunderbird as far as I’m concerned, other things like aesthetics just being matters of taste where you can’t please everyone. It’s become an annoying downside for me lately because one of my email addresses now only supports the web client and Exchange; no more IMAPS. I really cannot find another email client on Linux that works as well as Thunderbird though, at least not one that also supports Exchange, so Thunderbird it is. The new UI in OP looks great too.
One thing that I actually like about Owl being paid (very inexpensive as it is) is that I trust it will be updated RIGHT NOW if Office 365 changes their non-API. As a business with paying customers, I expect that they are on top of these things.
Really excited about the addition of FFSync, but man do I wish they would properly open source the backend so I can self-host it. (There is some code available online but it doesn't really work)
The javascript disaster that is the compose window refuses to find certificates that NSS finds, because... something to do with intermediate certificates.
Signing messages is a feature thunderbird has had forever, yet is unstable and nobody is dealing with the obvious open issue in their bug tracker, open since v60 and ignored.
Honestly what I want from an email client is this, plus cardbook (the default address book can't talk carddav, what century are we in), plus calendars. That's it. That's what I want a mail client to do.
Same but I find the new recent design to be a betterment this time. Not hard considering Thunderbird had imho a terrible UI. The left panel looks really nice and make the app different functions more readable.
I've been using Thunderbird for both work email and personal email (via Protonmail Bridge) for a few years now. I'm really stoked to see it's getting the attention it deserves.
> By default, getting to this event preview screen requires only 1 click. And it’s 2 clicks to open the edit view (which you can do either in a new tab or a separate floating window).
Phew. I was a bit worried that tab support was going away because the UI in the screenshots with the giant search bar in the top toolbar doesn't seem conducive for it. I'm curious to see how tabs look/work with the new UI.
Wow, super neat! I use TB as my daily driver but for calendar I resort to the GCal webview because is almost unusable, especially the "view event" window which is also an "edit event" window and that is very visually cluttered.
I started using Thunderbird when my old Mac's "Mail" app basically croaked. I bought a newer used Mac a couple months ago and got the latest version of both Thunderbird and Apple's Mail app.
Both of them were much easier to set up, and Apple's Mail app is a lot better now in that regard so I used both of them for a few weeks and Thunderbird won me over.
Fair to say that after using it for so long it was more familiar but it's noticeably faster and the latest version has updated the UI and it's very clean and compact.
I don't use the calendar, but I do think the new design is a big improvement and it's great to see they've been working on it.
They work already! When I add my email account, Thunderbird automatically configure my email, my calendar, my contacts, my tasks... all from my server. I even don't have to configure them each one manually.
Why on earth does "month" view still exist in digital calendars? Even worse, many (e.g. Google, Microsoft) don't even have an option for anything better (Thunderbird has "multiweek" which is far more useful).
Can anyone think of another relic from paper-based systems that we still cling to for unknown reasons? Imagine if the web could only be viewed in whole "pages".
But pages don't even negatively affect reading prose that much. Calendars, on the other hand, are all about context. On the first of the month I get the context of the next few following weeks. Useful. But at the end of the month I get the few preceding weeks?! What good is that? Why would my needs change depending on the time of the month? I either need the context or I don't. Month view makes absolutely no sense.
What are the odds of this coming to a standalone Sunbird client?
I've never really liked my email and calendar being in the same app. Especially not the same window, makes cross referencing a PITA. One of the things Apple gets right.
I understand this doesn't address your core complaint, but you can right click on the calender tab in Thunderbird and open it in a new window. It's not the same thing at all, but it's a workaround I use.
Very relieved to see that the new calendar looks...like a calendar. It is definitely not an area that needs some radical redesign. Incremental quality changes are the way to go.
Yes, the v102 upgrade was a nightmare for many users. I actually had an exchange about that with the person behind Thunderbird's Twitter account after their announcement of Supernova:
> Neat. Please do test this thoroughly before release to avoid the v102 fiasco :). It made things difficult for both users and evangelists who take time to help others in using Thunderbird. [1]
> We hear you. Which is why we're doing this for Supernova: [2]
>> In the roadmap for Thunderbird Supernova (v. 115) you'll notice our goal is to complete most features by Q4 2022. That's because we're entering"feature-freeze" by end of 2022, then spending several months on polish. We want it to exceed your expectations!
[+] [-] no_wizard|3 years ago|reply
For Thunderbird users, do you find it interfaces well with Google Workspace Email (Gmail) and Calendar? I prefer native clients to their interface usually but Apple Mail isn't the greatest so I've been using the web interface and I don't particularly enjoy it.
I use BusyCal for calendar and I like it, but I'd love to have it in a "suite" like this, just makes things easier.
[0]: https://www.theverge.com/2012/7/6/3142046/mozilla-halt-furth...
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[+] [-] RachelF|3 years ago|reply
It works well. However, in the last few months, the GMail Spam filtering service has stopped working with POP. Items marked as Spam in GMail still get downloaded.
I guess Google wants us to use their web-client.
[+] [-] kevincox|3 years ago|reply
I've been quite happy with Calendar as well. You don't get real-time sync and all of the Google Calendar goodies like viewing other people's schedules, adding Google Meet links easily, room booking and probably more are missing. But I've found that using it as mostly view-only works well, then I schedule meetings in the webUI.
That being said the calendar interface has been fairly awkward in the past, so I'm really excited about this new version. I'm sure there will be some rough edges but if they can fix the alignment of events with respect to start+end time and make the view/edit dialog less awful it would be a huge win.
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One minor thing I'd like to see, and I don't know if this is to do with the underlying calendaring spec, is the differentiation of physical location and online meeting.
Some events may have both and I have found the "Join" buttons on desktop notifications for Outlook/Teams to be pretty convenient.
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One thing that I actually like about Owl being paid (very inexpensive as it is) is that I trust it will be updated RIGHT NOW if Office 365 changes their non-API. As a business with paying customers, I expect that they are on top of these things.
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[+] [-] zahllos|3 years ago|reply
The javascript disaster that is the compose window refuses to find certificates that NSS finds, because... something to do with intermediate certificates.
Signing messages is a feature thunderbird has had forever, yet is unstable and nobody is dealing with the obvious open issue in their bug tracker, open since v60 and ignored.
Honestly what I want from an email client is this, plus cardbook (the default address book can't talk carddav, what century are we in), plus calendars. That's it. That's what I want a mail client to do.
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[+] [-] RachelF|3 years ago|reply
I have to use Outlook 365 and am surprised how much better Thunderbird is than Microsoft's offering.
[+] [-] INeedMoreRam|3 years ago|reply
Very excited to see Thunderbird calendar being modernized since I feel like it’s always been a step behind Outlook’s.
[+] [-] nvrspyx|3 years ago|reply
Phew. I was a bit worried that tab support was going away because the UI in the screenshots with the giant search bar in the top toolbar doesn't seem conducive for it. I'm curious to see how tabs look/work with the new UI.
[+] [-] darkwater|3 years ago|reply
Can't wait to test this on my laptop!
[+] [-] oblib|3 years ago|reply
Both of them were much easier to set up, and Apple's Mail app is a lot better now in that regard so I used both of them for a few weeks and Thunderbird won me over.
Fair to say that after using it for so long it was more familiar but it's noticeably faster and the latest version has updated the UI and it's very clean and compact.
I don't use the calendar, but I do think the new design is a big improvement and it's great to see they've been working on it.
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That said it would be even better if I could sync through my own Nextcloud instance instead of through Mozilla Sync.
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https://www.betterbird.eu/
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[+] [-] globular-toast|3 years ago|reply
Can anyone think of another relic from paper-based systems that we still cling to for unknown reasons? Imagine if the web could only be viewed in whole "pages".
But pages don't even negatively affect reading prose that much. Calendars, on the other hand, are all about context. On the first of the month I get the context of the next few following weeks. Useful. But at the end of the month I get the few preceding weeks?! What good is that? Why would my needs change depending on the time of the month? I either need the context or I don't. Month view makes absolutely no sense.
[+] [-] donatj|3 years ago|reply
I've never really liked my email and calendar being in the same app. Especially not the same window, makes cross referencing a PITA. One of the things Apple gets right.
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I am still on 91.13.1 because 102 is causing various issues, most (maybe all) of them already reported.
[+] [-] p4bl0|3 years ago|reply
> Neat. Please do test this thoroughly before release to avoid the v102 fiasco :). It made things difficult for both users and evangelists who take time to help others in using Thunderbird. [1]
> We hear you. Which is why we're doing this for Supernova: [2]
>> In the roadmap for Thunderbird Supernova (v. 115) you'll notice our goal is to complete most features by Q4 2022. That's because we're entering"feature-freeze" by end of 2022, then spending several months on polish. We want it to exceed your expectations!
[1] https://twitter.com/p4bl0/status/1590400298517864448
[2] https://twitter.com/mozthunderbird/status/159040241315584409...
[+] [-] INeedMoreRam|3 years ago|reply
In fact, it runs perfectly on my Kubuntu machine.