[fuckstick]

> give you something

Eh? You can’t like give me anything - you can give me a token - which can also effectively be money. The latter usually occurs due to some other trust relationship needing to be established - we are back at square one.

[nannal]

Luckily there's a fairly liquid market for the things we're handing around (usually)

[fuckstick]

I acknowledged “something you can exchange for money” - that was not the objection.

It doesn’t solve the underlying difficulty of exchanging physical goods and services that are not tokens - you, know, the actual hard part. It also doesn’t solve the laundering aspect once you try to get those tokens liquidated to something not volatile as fuck.