[ozzythecat]

> The way this works today, a person is competence at raising children is untill social services prove otherwise. Kinda like innocent until proved guilty.

Nobody is talking about 16 year olds or abortions. Are you sure you’re not deliberately changing the topic and really are debating in good faith?

Why do you believe it’s appropriate to compare a random 16 year old with a convicted criminal, who is awaiting sentencing?

> a person is competence at raising children is untill social services prove otherwise. Kinda like innocent until proved guilty

And no one is arguing against that. You’re making a straw man argument.

[ClumsyPilot]

It is revolting to read that people are considering, what if we arbitrarilly take away intrinsic rights of a person?

Well, if you can question innate right in this situation, maybe you can question them in other situations too? Then do we even have rights, to parenting, family life an others?

For a crime you render the punishment as prescribed in law, no more, no less.