You can agree or disagree with Siegler as much as you want, you can like or dislike his clear bias towards Apple, but geez, Siegler doesn't seem to be able to defend himself.
Against the accusation that Siegler is part of a "class warfare", the only thing he has left to say is that the Nexus is actually more expensive, which was not the point of Topolovsky since he was criticizing the notion of condescending behavior against Android (re: they just dont see the polish).
Also he quotes a long argument with the Mercedes vs. Honda analogy and the only thing he has to say is:
"Okay Josh, I read my words out loud. They still sound pretty good to me as an (albeit simplistic) comparison. Your entire post, on the other hand, makes you sound like a fool.
Moving on."
Nothing. No defense.
Siegler, no one accuses you of having an opinion. But of unfair treatment.
I think the important piece of quote is this one (the words Siegler is supposed to read out loud):
"It's probably hard for a Mercedes owner to describe to a Honda owner how attention to detail makes their driving experience better."
If Siegler doesn't think his analogy of Mercedes vs Honda to Android vs. iOS is not some kind of "class warfare", then why doesn't he tell us what his analogy should tell us. And i think Topolovsky is pretty dead on:
"More insultingly, it suggests that as a person who is not part of whatever elite group MG believes exists, you couldn't even really understand why the Mercedes is superior."
I'll go one better than that. If Siegler thinks I should read him for his opinions, then I don't have to read him anymore. I know his opinion on the iPad 3 already. I know his opinion on the iPhone 5 already.
I suppose the answer is obvious -- there's a large market for firing up the base. Sorry, but that's not what I'm in the market for.
Where I come from we buy our phones not from a carrier but from a retailer and we are not forced into a payment plan that makes the phones look cheaper than they are. So an iPhone 4S costs from $830 and up, a Galaxy Nexus costs from $770. Both phones are pretty expensive but the iPhone is still the most expensive one. Those figures might be off in the states of course.
>Against the accusation that Siegler is part of a "class warfare", the only thing he has left to say is that the Nexus is actually more expensive, which was not the point of Topolovsky since he was criticizing the notion of condescending behavior against Android.
Isn't class warfare based on the issue of economics? If Topolsky felt it was more about some superficial superiority of some Apple bloggers then he should've chosen his words better and not used such an inflammatory term.
>Siegler, no one accuses you of having an opinion. But of unfair treatment.
Siegler's article is entitled 'An iPhone Lover’s Take On The Galaxy Nexus'. I don't know how you can't be prepared for what may come.
The oddity is that Topolsky took one line in the review (which is mostly positive) to get extremely angry over. Certainly there is a bias against Google in a lot of Siegler's articles but I honestly don't see it here.
I am not terribly familiar with with this MG author but he comes across as a self-righteous egotistical bigot.
His quote:
"I don’t know about you, but when I read my favorite technology writers, I want an opinion. Is the iPhone 4S the best smartphone, or is it the Galaxy Nexus? I need to buy one, I can’t buy both. Topolsky never gives us that. Instead, he pussyfoots around it. One is great at some things, the other is great at others. Barf.
Fucking pick one. I bet that even now he won’t."
I must be getting old but I thought the job of a journalist/columnist was to give a fair unbiased assessment in their review. No MG, I don't need you to pick one over the other. I have a brain and can reach my own conclusion, thank you very much. I don't need you to tell me what to spend $200-$300 of my own hard-earned money.
He seems to forget his job (I assume he has a job). What we need from journalists/columnists is a balanced honest review with pros and cons, that's all.
I reread Josh's response and other than his use of language in his title, he seemed mostly respectful and not angry. I think MG might have missed the point with the analogy since he mentioned that the nexus was more expensive.
But really, android vs ios is the new emacs vs vim.
What your reading is really representative of MG's and Josh's respective writing styles. MG is opinionated and polarizing. Josh is informative and (tries really hard to be) objective.
I'm not that familiar with MG's writing, but based on this he seems to need the world to be black and white. It's not black and white and I don't have a lot of respect for that sort of thinking.
[+] [-] nchuhoai|14 years ago|reply
Against the accusation that Siegler is part of a "class warfare", the only thing he has left to say is that the Nexus is actually more expensive, which was not the point of Topolovsky since he was criticizing the notion of condescending behavior against Android (re: they just dont see the polish).
Also he quotes a long argument with the Mercedes vs. Honda analogy and the only thing he has to say is:
"Okay Josh, I read my words out loud. They still sound pretty good to me as an (albeit simplistic) comparison. Your entire post, on the other hand, makes you sound like a fool.
Moving on."
Nothing. No defense.
Siegler, no one accuses you of having an opinion. But of unfair treatment.
[+] [-] nchuhoai|14 years ago|reply
"It's probably hard for a Mercedes owner to describe to a Honda owner how attention to detail makes their driving experience better."
If Siegler doesn't think his analogy of Mercedes vs Honda to Android vs. iOS is not some kind of "class warfare", then why doesn't he tell us what his analogy should tell us. And i think Topolovsky is pretty dead on:
"More insultingly, it suggests that as a person who is not part of whatever elite group MG believes exists, you couldn't even really understand why the Mercedes is superior."
[+] [-] deong|14 years ago|reply
I suppose the answer is obvious -- there's a large market for firing up the base. Sorry, but that's not what I'm in the market for.
[+] [-] efraim|14 years ago|reply
[+] [-] technoslut|14 years ago|reply
Isn't class warfare based on the issue of economics? If Topolsky felt it was more about some superficial superiority of some Apple bloggers then he should've chosen his words better and not used such an inflammatory term.
>Siegler, no one accuses you of having an opinion. But of unfair treatment.
Siegler's article is entitled 'An iPhone Lover’s Take On The Galaxy Nexus'. I don't know how you can't be prepared for what may come.
The oddity is that Topolsky took one line in the review (which is mostly positive) to get extremely angry over. Certainly there is a bias against Google in a lot of Siegler's articles but I honestly don't see it here.
[+] [-] gcl2|14 years ago|reply
His quote:
"I don’t know about you, but when I read my favorite technology writers, I want an opinion. Is the iPhone 4S the best smartphone, or is it the Galaxy Nexus? I need to buy one, I can’t buy both. Topolsky never gives us that. Instead, he pussyfoots around it. One is great at some things, the other is great at others. Barf.
Fucking pick one. I bet that even now he won’t."
I must be getting old but I thought the job of a journalist/columnist was to give a fair unbiased assessment in their review. No MG, I don't need you to pick one over the other. I have a brain and can reach my own conclusion, thank you very much. I don't need you to tell me what to spend $200-$300 of my own hard-earned money.
He seems to forget his job (I assume he has a job). What we need from journalists/columnists is a balanced honest review with pros and cons, that's all.
[+] [-] sasidharm|14 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] wasd|14 years ago|reply
But really, android vs ios is the new emacs vs vim.
[+] [-] bradleyland|14 years ago|reply
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