[1ris]

Kernel hackers are considered the most skilled people in the whole profession. The Linux kernel is one of the most read source code on the planet. The code is audited to death. Much of the research into static code analysis starts there. They have tools available most other people don't. That's what i mean.

If, what ever the happens there, is not up to your standard of professionalism, maybe your standard is unrealistic?

[optymizer]

That's not training. That's being thrown in the lake to learn how to swim.

Now you're measuring how many people drowned, and you're saying "let's enforce that everyone use a flotation device, and there will be fewer deaths".

Sure, but there will also be fewer actual swimmers.

To make this more concrete, you can't look at something in aggregate and say "well, we are having this one type of issue, let's just throw everything away and start over".

Yes we must do something, I just don't think that Rust is the best answer. Maybe have an actual safety training. The language is hard. Write a compiler for it, study the spec, simplify the spec, upgrade the language, etc.

[1ris]

"Training" and "being the (allergy) the most skilled" have no connection to you? You can't be serious.

This is mincing words and a bad-faith argument. I consider this discussion pointless and will not continue.

[pjmlp]

And yet, every single month there are a new couple of exploits, really skillful...

[1ris]

Yes, precisely my point: Even the best are not nearly good enough. Because "the competent enough C programmer" is a myth.