[mhermher]

You don't think that the US and UK can jointly plan to do something without holding hands? It doesn't really matter who actually physically did it. What's important is who intended to it, which is probably both of them. Maybe nationals from other countries were involved (maybe Ukranians? Poles? Idk). But the US and UK would actually be planning/administering the operation.

[krisoft]

> It doesn't really matter who actually physically did it.

Well if someone says it is “extremely obvious who did it” then it kinda does matter if they can then say who did it. The fact that miguelazo couldn’t name who did it indicates that perhaps it is less than extremely obvious who did it.

I agree that both the USA, and the UK has the means to covertly carry out such sabotage. I also agree that both has the motivation too. There are other countries with the means and motivation too.

> maybe Ukranians? Poles? Idk

That last one. That hits it on the head. The correct answer given the publicly available information is that we do not know. We should say that more often. It is a sign of strength, not of weakness.

[miguelazo]

To be clear, I believe it was the US in command. There were likely others involved, but the other commenter is right— it doesn’t really matter exactly which NATO partner pulled the trigger. The point is that NATO attacked one of its own and that the idea of Russian involvement is ludicrous. https://thecradle.co/Article/Columns/16307

[mhermher]

What I mean to say is that it doesn't matter to know who physically performed the actions, only to know who planned and directed it. Just like we might blame bin Laden for 9/11 even though he didn't fly the planes. He was on the other side of the earth. Or whatever, you get the idea.

But in any case, of course we don't know. But we should attempt to find what is and isn't a reasonable explanation, and what may be most reasonable.