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binarray2000 | 3 years ago
They have done the same in the nineties to former Yugoslavia. Almost all of us are Slavs, we mostly speak the same language, many of us have the same surnames. But, through "divide and conquer" the West (led by the US) has unleashed bloody wars. As the Serbs are the biggest group in former Yugoslavia the West has used todays Croats (Roman-Catholics) and Boshniaks (Muslims) as their peons to fight us. They cynically apply the same tactic today, using Ukrainians and Poles to fight Russians - but always for western interests.
Keep in mind: Slavs are the biggest ethnic group in Europe (over 300 million). Our languages are very similar, our worldview as well as our mentality. If we'd be together in some kind of confederation, the West would have a very strong competition. And an obstacle on the way to cheap resources (humans, commodities).
You must read about Heartland Theory [0] which was summarized by its author as follows: "Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland; who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island; who rules the World-Island commands the world."
[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_Hi...
ADDEDENDUM: I forgot this, highly relevant for the previously said, quote regarding the NATO (you wrote "strong military alliance like NATO"). NATO's first Secretary General has said that the NATO was created to "keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down." [1]
[1] https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/declassified_137930.htm
KptMarchewa|3 years ago
>Even before February 24th, Ukrainians have lost their country to western interests.
No, they gained their own country from hands of pro-russian traitors.
>using Ukrainians and Poles to fight Russians - but always for western interests
Poland has never been better as under those "western interests". Turns out democracy and regulated free market brings the best of people.
>As the Serbs are the biggest group in former Yugoslavia the West has used todays Croats (Roman-Catholics) and Boshniaks (Muslims) as their peons to fight us.
Oh yes, Serbs are still butthurt that NATO did not let them commit genocide as UN did, as Serbia acted as mini-Russia today. NATO intervention there was the best use of force that saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Very happy that Poland participates in KFOR.
>Keep in mind: Slavs are the biggest ethnic group in Europe (over 300 million). Our languages are very similar, our worldview as well as our mentality. If we'd be together in some kind of confederation, the West would have a very strong competition. And an obstacle on the way to cheap resources (humans, commodities).
Keep in mind: this kind of bullshit has been used by russia for last two centuries to occupy and exploit us.
>ADDEDENDUM: I forgot this, highly relevant for the previously said, quote regarding the NATO (you wrote "strong military alliance like NATO"). NATO's first Secretary General has said that the NATO was created to "keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down." [1]
Great goal for the 50s.
binarray2000|3 years ago
If “Poland has never been better” then why is there a shortage of medical personnel, why is the inflation almost 20%, why does the EU commission strangles Poland and keeps its billions? (to name a few) You personally may think Poland is in the club of equals, in the club of solidarity (NATO, EU) but you personally seem to have learned nothing from history. Prior to WWII the British had promised help to Poland if Germans attacked it. And what has happened? They have kept drinking their tea while German tanks have rolled over Poland. And who has liberated Poland? Those bloody Russians! Today, the US will not lift a finger if (God forbid, God forbid) Russians and Poles start a war.
We Serbs are not butthurt. At the beginning of the nineties we didn’t understand why our former allies in two wars (US, GB, France) had stood by those who were on the German side in those two wars (Croats, Muslims, Albanians). Heck, in WWII, the Serbs have saved lives of the US pilots whose planes were shot down by the Germans, only to be bombed by their ancestors - twice in one decade [0]. But then, after some time, we have realized that all accusations are in over 90% of cases baseless and pure propaganda - and that the West is lying, cheating, deceiving us all the time. It was, again, a projection: The West has accused us (the Serbs) of expulsion, war crimes and genocide while their peons (Croats have expelled almost 200.000 Serbs in 1995 [1], Albanians have killed Serbs and have burned our churches and monasteries in 2004 [2]) have done that to us - with impunity and with the West behind them. The kangaroo court in the Hague has sentenced Serbs to over 1.000 years while everyone who has killed the Serbs was free to go.
Your other arguments I have answered in my other comments.
Aw, yes, one more thing: Are you really happy that Polish soldiers are protecting Albanians in Kosovo while they do this [3].
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Halyard
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Storm
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_unrest_in_Kosovo
[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OstopJI9pck
_kbh_|3 years ago
The Russians literally invaded, the Russians are the ones who are solely responsible for this war.
> ADDEDENDUM: I forgot this, highly relevant for the previously said, quote regarding the NATO (you wrote "strong military alliance like NATO"). NATO's first Secretary General has said that the NATO was created to "keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down." [1]
whats totally relevant is the era that, that quote was said in.
NATO was formed in 1949, a mere 5 years after the end of WW2.
Given how Nazi Germany and the USSR had a alliance at the start of WW2, it is wholly unsurprising that NATO, was looking to keep both of them at bay.
binarray2000|3 years ago
Contrary to your argument, that quote is still relevant today. Perfect example is the recent sabotage of NorthStream 1 and 2. Because it is still down Germany has to keep its mouth shut (while it loses its competitive advantage due to cheap energy from Russia), it keeps Russia out of Europe (mainly energy, but commodities, as well) and it keeps the US still in Europe (EUnuchs must buy natural gas from the US).