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binarray2000 | 3 years ago

Ukraine has been in a downfall since the breakup of the USSR. But the real troubles started after the Maidan coup in 2014. Corruption, economic downfall acceleration, and political instability are all the result of puppet governments the West has installed there. “Russian traitors” are not even remotely responsible for anything. As I wrote to the other commenter: The West (led by the US) has provoked this war between Russia and Ukraine - by breaking promises and propping up Ukraine to provoke Russia.

If “Poland has never been better” then why is there a shortage of medical personnel, why is the inflation almost 20%, why does the EU commission strangles Poland and keeps its billions? (to name a few) You personally may think Poland is in the club of equals, in the club of solidarity (NATO, EU) but you personally seem to have learned nothing from history. Prior to WWII the British had promised help to Poland if Germans attacked it. And what has happened? They have kept drinking their tea while German tanks have rolled over Poland. And who has liberated Poland? Those bloody Russians! Today, the US will not lift a finger if (God forbid, God forbid) Russians and Poles start a war.

We Serbs are not butthurt. At the beginning of the nineties we didn’t understand why our former allies in two wars (US, GB, France) had stood by those who were on the German side in those two wars (Croats, Muslims, Albanians). Heck, in WWII, the Serbs have saved lives of the US pilots whose planes were shot down by the Germans, only to be bombed by their ancestors - twice in one decade [0]. But then, after some time, we have realized that all accusations are in over 90% of cases baseless and pure propaganda - and that the West is lying, cheating, deceiving us all the time. It was, again, a projection: The West has accused us (the Serbs) of expulsion, war crimes and genocide while their peons (Croats have expelled almost 200.000 Serbs in 1995 [1], Albanians have killed Serbs and have burned our churches and monasteries in 2004 [2]) have done that to us - with impunity and with the West behind them. The kangaroo court in the Hague has sentenced Serbs to over 1.000 years while everyone who has killed the Serbs was free to go.

Your other arguments I have answered in my other comments.

Aw, yes, one more thing: Are you really happy that Polish soldiers are protecting Albanians in Kosovo while they do this [3].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Halyard

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Storm

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_unrest_in_Kosovo

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OstopJI9pck

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KptMarchewa|3 years ago

>Ukraine has been in a downfall since the breakup of the USSR. But the real troubles started after the Maidan coup in 2014. Corruption, economic downfall acceleration, and political instability are all the result of puppet governments the West has installed there.

Exactly opposite. Russian target was to destroy country internally, so that even Putin would look like a good change. Since 2014 all of the corruption indicators and feelings have been steadily improving.

Also, we can see how the western funds and equipment are used with great effect: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-docum...

It's heartwarming to see destroyed russian equipment.

>As I wrote to the other commenter: The West (led by the US) has provoked this war between Russia and Ukraine - by breaking promises and propping up Ukraine to provoke Russia.

First, nice that you acknowledge that "west" is working to uplift Ukraine. Second, the "provocation" thesis is so stupid and thoroughly debunked that

>Prior to WWII the British had promised help to Poland if Germans attacked it. And what has happened?

The strategy they've employed was shit, as was their pre-war preparation. At the end Brits and French has declared and fought Germans. The reason why they did not liberate Poland at the end was extremely high cost of that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

>And who has liberated Poland? Those bloody Russians!

Great job: occupy together first. Do some genocide on it's own. Then get rid of co-occupier and call that liberation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military...

Just traded one chains to another. Until the soviet economic model finally blew up.

>If “Poland has never been better” then why is there a shortage of medical personnel

If you think there hasn't been a shortage ever then you're sorely mistaken. NFZ is shit but million times better than soviet medicine.

>why is the inflation almost 20%

When your body needs to get rid of bacteria and viruses, it raises it's temperature. We have to get rid ourselves of the russian dependency virus. It will take some time, but renewables and three new nuclear plants will do it's job.

>Today, the US will not lift a finger if (God forbid, God forbid) Russians and Poles start a war.

Yeah, that's why 10k USA troops are here. Also, Russia is losing war with Ukraine, introducing more and more 60s and 70s equipment. With which they want to fight our modern Leopards and F-16s? Get more T-62s from storage?

>why does the EU commission strangles Poland and keeps its billions?

What is this bullshit even? Strangling by giving us 150 billion euro over the years? https://mapadotacji.gov.pl/?lang=en

Polish roads, hospitals, railways, public transportation and million other things like waterworks have never been in a better state, partially thanks to EU money.

>We Serbs are not butthurt. At the beginning of the nineties we didn’t understand why our former allies in two wars (US, GB, France) had stood by those who were on the German side in those two wars (Croats, Muslims, Albanians). Heck, in WWII, the Serbs have saved lives of the US pilots whose planes were shot down by the Germans, only to be bombed by their ancestors - twice in one decade [0].

We've been a good guys so we can genocide our enemies and rule over their corpses, makes sense right?

>It was, again, a projection: The West has accused us (the Serbs) of expulsion, war crimes and genocide while their peons (Croats have expelled almost 200.000 Serbs in 1995 [1], Albanians have killed Serbs and have burned our churches and monasteries in 2004 [2]) have done that to us - with impunity and with the West behind them. The kangaroo court in the Hague has sentenced Serbs to over 1.000 years while everyone who has killed the Serbs was free to go.

Surely they haven't left because they were a perpetrators of that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vukovar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Dubrovnik

Just like Germans after WW2, pure shock that they've lost territory after genocidal war. But Germans have come to their senses, I hope the Serbs will too.

>Are you really happy that Polish soldiers are protecting Albanians in Kosovo while they do this [3].

Very happy. We also did this with monuments to our torturers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Nevsky_Cathedral,_Wa...

https://ipn.gov.pl/pl/aktualnosci/172714,Demontaz-czterech-p...