[noasaservice]

Perhaps... But I would think that living with someone (even if not by choice for the first 18 years of your life) gives you a much deeper understanding than watching some celeb online and making snap judgements there.

And in my case, all my siblings have deemed that our mother is indeed a narcissist. We're all no-contact with her. We're not docs, so med diagnosis is off the table... But you can definitely be a narcissist without being diagnosed with NPD.

[synu]

Whatever works for you, I’m just some guy on the internet. All I was trying to say is that I think it’s unlikely real leadership correlates with narcissistic collapse. I’m not trying to debate you about your personal life, capitalism, misdiagnosis of celebrities, or any other topic if it came across that way.