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gruffle | 3 years ago

You're not going to cover all of the correct behavior in any nontrivial software with unit tests unless you plan to spend 99% of your time writing unit tests. Static typing gives a good baseline of correctness.

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goto11|3 years ago

> Static typing gives a good baseline of correctness.

Not really. Lets say you have an `add(a, b)` function. Static typing can guarantee that the function returns a number, but not that it returns the correct number. So you need unit tests anyway.

A unit test `assert_equal(4, add(2, 2))` actually tells you something about the correctness about the function, and it implicitly also verifies that it returns a number. So static typing does not save you anything.

Static typing does have advantages, for example for documentation and for automated refactoring. But it doesn't replace any unit tests.

gruffle|3 years ago

Sure, in this trivial example there may not be clear benefit, but with more complicated code, operations on complicated structures, with potential state changes, etc. there are many benefits. Even in your trivial example you don't cover the correctness or correct usage of your function - since it's dynamically typed it could be called with non-integer arguments - what's the expected behaviour in those cases?

int_19h|3 years ago

This kind of thing is really what contract-based programming is meant for; it shouldn't properly be a test, except that we have to resort to that for the lack of language support for DbC.

hwayne|3 years ago

`add(x, y) = x * y`

ReflectedImage|3 years ago

Static typing on its own is very bad at finding errors.

Static typing is something you use for performance reasons primarily.

If you want to catch errors with static typing you need Haskell or Rust levels of support for it. C# / Java / C++ don't make the grade.

peterashford|3 years ago

I really disagree with this. I use static types as a quick correctness check. I've added types to large python projects to reduce the complexity of reasoning about the code base, and the typing does not make it run faster (actually, the opposite).

gruffle|3 years ago

You have no idea what you're talking about.