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felipesoc | 3 years ago

> First, none of our policies have changed. Our approach to policy enforcement will rely more heavily on de-amplification of violative content: freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach.

They recently unbanned many controversial accounts based solely on Twitter polls. Who do they expect will believe these statements?

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CameronNemo|3 years ago

And banned accounts when fringe far right "journalists" complained about them.

https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-n...

TheRealDunkirk|3 years ago

> fringe far right "journalists"

I'm having a hard time thinking that anyone should be called a journalist -- without mocking quotes -- at this point. After the past couple of years of "reporting" about COVID, vaccines, protests, Ukraine, China, Twitter, etc., et. al., EVERYONE has taken positions at the "fringe."

For 20 years, I've made sense of the news by looking for the pieces of the puzzle where people agree. That is now literally impossible. There is ZERO overlap on ANY issue between the two sides now.

The few actual journalists remaining are known by name, and moving from newspapers to Substack.

eduction|3 years ago

First the article says Chad Loder was recently suspended because his name was provided to Musk by far right accounts. Several paragraphs later it backs off and says it might be that he was suspended because he was supposedly on a right wing list of people they were trying to mass report (suddenly this isn’t about Musk any more but the standard reporting mechanism). The evidence for this is an archive.ph snapshot of an obscure Substack by a username in Japanese characters who alleges on Nov 7 that Loder was on a list, maybe, when you actually look at the text it’s not at all clear what exactly the person is saying. The article makes no effort to explain this or confirm the information. It’s a pretty shoddy piece of journalism.

Even when Loder is quoted he openly speculated about what happened and says he doesn’t know. The piece is just a tissue of insinuations.

guywithahat|3 years ago

Ok but groups like the Elm Fork John Brown Gun Club are not a trivial account (or frankly even a journalist). They're a radical antifa group who follow people (include government agents) officials around with guns, openly assaulting them, and has been part of deadly riots. It's like the proud boys x2

I also wouldn't call Andy Ngo, a gay asian journalist who's spoken in front of congress, far right. He basically records riots in Portland and uploads them to twitter, and he's only right wing in the sense that more republicans watch his videos than democrats

josteink|3 years ago

So banning right wing users for having right wing opinions are OK…

But banning antifa-accounts, that is accounts held by people taking part in month long riots and looting and political real-world violence… that is bad?

Is this satire? Is this an honestly held opinion? Or am I missing something?

williamsmj|3 years ago

> First, none of our policies have changed. Our approach to policy enforcement will rely more heavily on de-amplification of violative content: freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach.

This is bullshit on its face. The first sentence and the second sentence directly contradict each other.

guywithahat|3 years ago

I think they're referring to their legal policy (like the one you sign with twitter when you sign up), and there's no reason that would have had to change for the changes he's implemented.

QuantumGood|3 years ago

On November 23, Twitter stopped enforcing its "COVID-19 misleading information" policy.

The previous policy received acclaim from medical professionals: In an advisory to technology platforms, US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy cited Twitter’s rules as an example of what companies should do to combat misinformation. When journalist Kara Swisher in September 2020 confronted Musk with the possibility that many people could die if they didn’t follow public health recommendations, the man who believes he is making cars safer and saving mankind by going to Mars replied bluntly: “Everybody dies.”

The argument could be made that Elon cares more about virtual, future people than actual people living today.

kmeisthax|3 years ago

>The argument could be made that Elon cares more about virtual, future people than actual people living today.

This is what Longtermists actually believe.

haliskerbas|3 years ago

Elon cares more about money than actual people living today

threeseed|3 years ago

Musk also asked people to report suspected Antifa accounts to Andy Ngo a right-wing conservative journalist.

All of whom have now been suspended despite there being no infringement on terms of service.

UncleOxidant|3 years ago

> Musk also asked people to report suspected Antifa accounts to Andy Ngo a right-wing conservative journalist.

Is there a source on that? Because if so, holy crap... but I'd like to see some evidence.

josteink|3 years ago

> Antifa accounts. … All of whom have now been suspended despite there being no infringement on terms of service.

Are we talking about the same Antifa? Political terrorists, violently attacking civilians for having opposing beliefs?

If inciting real-world political violence and terror is not against the TOS, why were supposedly all those right wingers banned?

guywithahat|3 years ago

The policy has catch all clauses in it (like "we can do what we want whenever") to avoid lawsuits, so if they ban people who otherwise aren't explicitly in violation of a policy it's easy to unban them without changing policy.